Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 47

To susie: 

Go ahead write in German if you want; it does not matter at all to me.  My reading comprehension is still quite good, thanks.  Bad grammar and spelling just shows a lack of consideration for the reader but go ahead as you like. My Websters does not have worthful in it; maybe it is more a German thing.

I was more into the American show lines although I did have an all German bred male and he was one of the best dogs I ever had; probably well before your time. So, nope, I can't say I know a lot about current German dogs.  I would prefer, due to my advanced age lol, to have a dog that has an off switch and  can just lay on the floor and chill out a lot but he can still have the fire to protect us.  Back in the early ''70's I had several daughters of Grand Victors all very nice and I did fairly well in the breed ring.  Too many ear problems and over angulation for me to have one now and I absolutely despise the roach backs so many German dogs have. Sorry for stepping on toes.  That is what I prefer.......

I have no quarrel with the dogs being removed from the situation; however I have a big problem with the way the shelter doled them out to their buddies, right from the situation and without vetting as it sounds like. In the states, rescued animals are required to be neutered. Period; End of story.

I will certainly watch the coming trial with great interest.

" Bad grammar and spelling just shows a lack of consideration for the reader but go ahead as you like."

Thank you very much for your kindness, I´m really thankful to be allowed to post further on, maybe the admins should sign the posts with bad grammar and spelling, so you don´t need to read them, and most importantly, you don´t need to feel bad about the lack of consideration for you any longer.

Now we have different statements about the spay/neuter rules within the States - several people wrote it´s different from State to State, although normally the animals get altered, and several, including you, write :
" In the states, rescued animals are required to be neutered. Period; End of story. "  (your words, see above)

What´s the truth ??? Are you stating facts or are you lying? I don´t know, but I tend to believe in the text about NY law, written above, not the " Universal US LAW ". Maybe you are able to clarify.

Which dogs could they alter at all right now? ( Do we even have PROOF that NONE were altered? )

• Only the dogs nobody claims to be the owner or co-owner ( and there seem to be a lot of open questions about ownership...)
• Only the healthy dogs
• Only the dogs older than 6 months ( would you like to alter a 6 months old German Shepherd ? Only a rhetorical question..)

Have a nice day!

Susie- EVERY dog and cat, EVERY ONE that goes through rescue, be it ASPCA, Humane Society, any rescue group, organizations the 'rescue' dogs and cats ARE required BY LAW to spay/neuter dogs and cats.

    The ONLY exceptions are animals under 6 months of age. AND THAN AN AGREEMENT to have the animal spayed/neutered within 30 days of reaching that age, OR any animal that due to health or age, et al;OLD...

Would  have to have veterinary certified reason that dogs life would be in jeopardy..THAT IS THE LAW...

I did not make it up. It was in place LONG BEFORE this case came along. AND FOR GOOD REASON.

I don't know what its like in Germany, but here in the US, there are thousands of dogs killed everyday.

Should thus shelter be able to ignore the law for these few 'special people' and these few 'special dogs' or should they just totally ignore the law all together and send every dog out with no regard for who is breeding it?

    Believe me, the German Shepherd breed will get along just fine without Dante pups .

Kitkat, I´d never breed to a coat, so I don´t care too much....

You seem to misinterpret the law - these rules are made for either from an original and only owner seized dogs, or for dogs without legitimate owner like strays. It´s not up for dogs sitting in a shelter with KNOWN owners, whose dogs just were at the wrong place at the wrong time. They have to wait until the court decided.

Do you see the difference?

You asked about Germany . yes, dogs are killed over here, too, but not often and not much. Some dogs have to stay in the shelters for years...

Most shelters over here alter, too, and almost all animal rescues have written down in their contracts, that  the new owners have to alter their new dog within a given timeframe.
Interestingly, the German court decided not long ago, that this is not legal. No owner might be forced to alter his pet, they don´t have to do it.

Thank you for a good conversation without assumptions and accusations!

Susie, great post, you seem to know the laws here better the most, and you are right, some dogs were at the wrong place at the wrong time, when the shelter was given proof of rightful ownership these dogs were released. Plus the fact that DV gave the shelter and lawyers a list of these owners naming the dogs they were to get.the remaining dogs are not reg with AKC, the shelter knows that something bogus is going on with these remaining dogs, contracts drawn up after they were seized. And remember this is no longer about the ownership of dogs, the shelter owned all dogs because DV signed them away to the shelter.and she still trying to tell people who females should be bred to.and what judges dog shouldn't be shown under.These my friends are true facts.not hearsay. 

ahhh yes, the top deflector is here with the "facts"  Look at all the proof :)  it's as substantial as the "other side's" 

I know that susie...it is being reported here that registration papers have been transfered via the shelter. 

Any dog that was seized and came through the shelter MUST be spayed and neutered, IF THEY WERE NOT LEGAL OWNER...

I have a legal degree here in NY...I am not misinterpret ing the law, just ain t been given facts.

I don t think no one posting on this has facts.

Not deflecting anything zdog, it just that some of us do know the truth, and don't make up BS.court today, will see what happens, who knows there might be a postponement.

we know you know the truth, all we have to do is ask you  and you'll tell us i'm sure :)

I haven't seen anything worth much from either side, just told that "we know the truth" from anyone claiming to be associated with this mess.