Rules for collecting and shipping frozen/chilled semen from Germany to USA - Page 2

I wonder if the SV rules can be bypassed?

AKC has forms for: 

www.akc.org/pdfs/frozsem.pdf
www.akc.org/pdfs/semenfe.pdf

American Kennel Club - Frozen and Chilled Semen DNA ...

... AKC DNA Profiling is required for all stud dogs whose semen is collected for fresh extended or frozen use, including foreign stud dogs ... American Kennel Club.

With these the pups can be registered thru AKC, and SV allows all AKC registered dog.

Sure the SV can be bypassed - but the German stud dog owner might loose membership of SV.

Kinda along the same lines.  There are quite a few stud dogs in the US that have frozen sperm available.  If someone was to do a breeding like this could the resulting dog be breed surveyed and shown?

Cheryl

I actually am not a fan of frozen semen for breeding.  Sure, for short term goals?  It's great.  Don't have to travel to studs, can use old proven lines etc.  But I think looking forward and to the bigger picture it's a quicker path to breed destruction.  Big names  would dominate more than they already do.  People would depend more on the past than the present.  It would make breeders and buyers a bit more lazy I think overall in every aspect related to proving and pressuring their dogs.  I think marketing would mean even more than it does now, no matter the actual quality of dogs.

and last but not least, I think nature knows best.  There's a reason your old male can't breed.  There's a reason you bitch won't stand for a male.  There's a reason your "stud" male can't get any bitches that want to breed him naturally, and genes are supposed to change.  They aren't supposed to be used for 150 years. Evolution happens, let it.  I'm sure some breeders with breeding goals and that do actual work could use this to their advantage.  I also believe they do not need frozen semen to make good breeding choices now, so I'd rather not deal with all the issues that are sure to crop up.  

Thank you, Z - I´m not totally on my own

Cheryl, SV does recognize AKC pedigrees, AKC does recognize breedings out of frozen semen, so there are no problems on your side of the pond.

 Bundishep, very true. Thawed frozen semen is only viable for a short time, so one had better have a good repro vet.

IMO lines are lost because breeders don't generally have the foresight to recognize which lines contribute positively to the breed so they don't linebreed on them. They are too worried about breeding too closely. The tendency to outcross generation after generation  dilutes the gene pool even more. In the dog world linebreeding is well accepted in all other breeds I am familar with .GSD people tend to blame linebreeding for every fault seen in the breed.GSD breeders can't understand why they don't produce more consistency in their litters - puppies are crap shoots is the favored excuse for getting unexpected results. They sure are crap shoots if there are no common ancestors in 4 generations.

It is not something that I would want to do on a regular basis.  It is nice to know that you do have options depending on what you want to acheieve.

Thanks,

Cheryl

One breeder I know, now an AKC rep, bred a number of the top winning dogs in her breed. She refused to collect any of them saying - if I can't improve my dogs with every generation, then I should not be breeding.

Susie, how would the SV even know?
If a male comes over here for a show or for breeding, and he's collect, it would be withing the laws of the country it is in.
If then later, someone gets seman from him and he happens to be in Germany or any other country that permits it, once again its the law of the land.

Many countries permint frozen or chilled semen .

And have any of you experienced a lesser good health factor using  AI;  whether it is frozen insemination or fresh?