breed worthiness? - Page 11

blitz do the math. 30 years ago was the 1980s. I went head to head with the committee in charge of the TT back then, and they had the same attitude you have. [ my belief] You want to be told their is no problem with the GSDCa breed program. I have said that the AKC is not a good organization for mandating breed practice. no bashing there. I have advocated the SV program. GSDCa is a member of that group. I refuse to call the GSDCa the "Parent Club'' unless I can file child endagerment charges. Another observation, If I go to ST Louis in Oct, which is the best dog in the land? the Sieger or the Grand victor? Could it be both? Yes, it could be if the standard is followed. One standard, one breed. no bashing there either just fact.

Yes, susie seems to be one of the few that has a sense of logic, and most important..."common sense".

She sees it, and calls it, the way it is!

Thank you all, but just ask my son about my "common sense" - he sometimes hates me...

No, it´s not that difficult - as soon as people try to make their living out of dogs, things become complicated. The more involved ( be it sport, show, or brokerage ), the more difficult.
I always try to see my dogs as my companions, and I don´t need to own a champion, just a good German Shepherd dog, fitting my personal needs.
Makes life much easier...

Blitzen,

Lucy.. you got some esplaining to do.

Thats a bit of breeder knowledge, your offering. When someone asked for your breed worthyness in your own thread, you went into flight instead of fight. Sorry to spot light you and not trying to be mean, but its cheap to ask questions and comment on something others answered, while avoiding the same question you asked. Answer the question or dont, just calling bs on this or awaiting further clarification. 

by Blitzen on 11 July 2014 - 20:07

I got a young puppy back after a few weeks because the owner was allergic. When they returned the dog the owner cried like a baby. I gave her a full price refund.

Another situation -  the owner got a divorce didn't want to be bothered taking care of a dog and said so. Took the dog back told her the same terms which BTW were stated in my contract. If I can sell the dog, she'd get her money back less the other fees. 

Then 2 littermates come back from North Pole, Alaska, I was in PA at the time. I had to pay the shipping to get them back which was almost as much as their original cost back in the 80's. By that time in my dog breeding career, I didn't even try to find home for returned dogs, I kept them. The buyers got no refunds on them either. Ironically 6 years later one of those buyers asked me if would give her the price of a show puppy since I never gave her money back. Guess what I told her.

Sometimes buyers are culpable, sometimes not.  Returning the purchase price has always been determined case-by-case for me but I always got the dogs back one way or another. A written contract given at the time of the sale can go a long way to making sure the dogs  you breed are taken care of. The age of the dog is also a factor as it is in this case. However, I would still not give a full refund to this buyer unless I had a very big change of heart about the way she represented herself as an experienced trainer. She is culpable IMO.

It was not talking about GSD's, Snoopy.

If it's that big deal to you, here is one of the dogs I got back from Alaska. I finished him at one of the biggest specialty shows in the US from the bred by exhibitor class with his 3rd 5 point major. He held a breed record for number of dogs defeated in the classes - over 250 all at specialty shows. One show in California, one in Alaska and he finished at Harrisburg, PA in 1984.  He never lost to a breeder judge.

His dam was 2nd generation of my own dogs. The sire was the top winning Malamute in the US when I bred to him. I lived in PA, the sire was in KY, I shipped my bitch there from Dulles to Louisville via United Airlines. The stud fee was $500, shipping was around $300 round trip. There were 2 breedings on the 12th and 14th day of her season, there were 7 puppies all live births whelped naturally. One had a rear dewclaw, no missing teeth, no bad bites. All got OFA goods and excellents, 2 others became AKC champions, one female a Canadian champion. One male was an avalance rescue dog in Canada. Another produced a number of Canadian champions and was the first American bred Canadian female to produce a best puppy in show in Canada. My dog produced 6 AKC champions out of a grand total of 15 progeny from 2 different bitches. One male was the BOB winner at the Alaskan MalamuteClub of America's National Specialty  and another from the same litter was one of the first female Malamutes to ever place in the working group at an AKC show. Another male from ths litter went to Utah where he produced some AKC Chs and working group winners.

Several bitches bred to Knik were sold to Italy where they were used to establish the breed there.

I never bred to or from a dog that didn't conform to the breed standard or didn't have OFA clearance or that was not condsidered free of Dwarfism. Most of the dogs I bred also earned OB titles, AKC or Canadian Campionships or AMCA working dog titles

I have no clue what this all has to do with GSD's.  

The end.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/alaskan_malamute/dog.html?id=1034914-knikknak-st-knik-of-north-pole

Sorry for the above. I don't usually talk about ANY of my dogs here. It's usually not relevant to the discussions.

You're  up next, Gigante.

I already asked on page 4 - no answer...

Sounds like you have had plenty of breeding experiance.

The question was answered here:

"I never bred to or from a dog that didn't conform to the breed standard or didn't have OFA clearance or that was not condsidered free of Dwarfism. Most of the dogs I bred also earned OB titles, AKC or Canadian Campionships or AMCA working dog titles"

Not sure what the teeth pull or what this thread is all about. Seem's you have a breed worthiness that you do follow. Most people agree titles, health testing and conformity to breed standard are the the breed worthiness test.  So why adjust it for show.

Thanks for the clarification.

Ps that was ricky ricardo     esplaining..... explaining

I asked you, Gigante ... what are YOUR personal requirements?
Forgot to mention: We are talking about the German Shepherd...
Can´t be that difficult: Everybody has a goal while breeding two dogs - varies from making a quick buck to better the breed.
People on here always belittle our system ( too lax - too hard - whatever ), but they are not willing to talk about their "personal" requirements - why?