Pretty Impressive ? Comments - Page 5

Only for the record:

SV: SchH became IPO
DVG: SchH became VPG became IPO

Kind of confusing for people outside of Germany, but the name changes have been a tribute to German law

Let's make it easier for him.

This is a pretty good explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhund

ps: since when is the United Schutzhund Club of America being called USA? I thought it was always called USCA? (There fixed it on Wikipedia)
 

Schutzhund is governed by a number of organizations. The FCI, the international umbrella organization for all things dog related, sets the rules for IPO titles. (IPO is the FCI name for sport Schutzhund titles.) The AZG sets the rules for Schutzhund for all breeds. The AZG is one of the component organizations of the VDH, the all breed kennel club of Germany. The German Shepherd Dog Club of Germany, the SV, is a member of the VDH and arguably the most powerful influence on the sport. Although the AZG formally sets the rules, the AZG does nothing with respect to Schutzhund without the approval of the SV. Still, the SV has great influence in the FCI and is probably still the most powerful influence on the sport. The DVG is an all-breed dog sport organization in Germany that organizes clubs and trials and has branches in Canada and The United States.

The largest Schutzhund organization in the US is the United Schutzhund Clubs of America, called USA. In spite of its name, USA is a German Shepherd Dog breed club. The Working Dog Association is a branch of another GSD breed club, the German Shepherd Dog Club of America, which also sponsors clubs and trials. There are a small number of DVG clubs in the United States, various other breed organizations that are involved in Schutzhund, and the American Working Dog Federation (AWDF), which is an umbrella organization. There are other breed specific Schutzhund clubs such as the United Doberman Club. In the case of the Doberman the AKC will not allow you to add Schutzhund titles to your dog's pedigree unless they are earned with the United Doberman Club. This barely scratches the surface.

Thanks for that post..Helps to know how the progression is ..

The Kennel in this advertisement has done a terrific job in their White Shepherd endeavors and I hope citiczens of the our country and others will follow suit.

I have had tons of people , at markets, and shows, trials etc, come up to me when I have one of  my red/blk shepherds with me and remark  "'Oh, I had a wonderful white shepherd when I was a kid..or my family had the most wonderful white shepherd many years ago and it protected us kids and killed all the snakes and really was a wonderful pet.." Just have never seen any here in Texas, at any of the regional trials or heard much other news about the working end of them.

 Hopefully, if they are gonna breed them, work and standard  will still follow the white shepherd as shown by this breeder.

Learned a lot from one ad..

YR

" The Kennel in this advertisement has done a terrific job in their White Shepherd endeavors..."

Yellow, I´m not used to white shepherds, but if I´m right, their dogs are show dogs, and in the pedigree of one litter there are a grandfather and the father of the grandfather that were titled at one point.

I might be wrong, but neither the dam nor the sire seem to be titled or trained.

The Shiloh folk report that dogs with Hoofprint Orbit in their lines have much harder temperaments than average, and can be 'difficult' for that reason.

The average Shiloh has a very soft temperament by GSD standards...

Susie: THis is my first study of them yes , but on the page of progheny there are tons of pics and names with show titles yes, champion and qualified for Crufts? are not working titles but they do have some titled ...I have not had time to take each dog by litter mom and dad

I do notice they are all hip and Dna and health tests on a lot of them..and also the kennel promotes work and show...so not too bad on first glance,  will take some time next week..got baths to do and yard work and trying to get ready for my own new PUPPY...

You know more about tracing then I do...I am sure   I bought my foundation and had pedigrees in german and english handed to me and down the years never had to look for what was in mine..t was always on my pedigrees as I added studs to my list.. I did study a lot then but this just intrigued me as to the intensity of beautiful white shepherds and showing they do work some of them..now as to lineage I have not dove into it ...Will do ...thanks...keep us informed  . I just know now, there is a lot of dog showing and trials all over the other countries.. WE never hear much about...I follow our Schutz by internet and videos but as to these countries listed on these dogs especially Serbia, france and the others listed...as Jr Champions and Champions and INternational champions , knowing yes they are show titles it still is fascinating..

YR

Yellow, I know nothing about these lines, I know nothing about this breeder, I´m only missing the working titles in their own dogs. The titled dogs in this pedigree seem to be studs used by different breeders - that´s like a breeder promoting puppies out of untitled parents ( and mostly untitled ancestors at all ) as "working dogs" only because one grandfather was IPO titled - this is misleading and doesn´t help the breed.

These "White Shepherds" - "Bergers blancs" over here are a pet breed, no titles acquired prior to breeding, they are not very common, the few I met personally had no working dog temperament, one was able to achieve IPO titles after a lot of training ( DVG ).

They are no German Shepherds, they don´t behave like German Shepherds, and the breeders as a whole don´t mind. I´m pretty sure with selective breeding (working titles for some generations ) this breed would become better ( right here "better" being very subjective, because I´m looking at these dogs from the German Shepherd dog point of view ), but after all, that´s not their goal.

These dogs are an own breed, that said, the dogs posted in this ad are good looking dogs, congrats.

I like white shepherds myself,  but I will not vote to remove the DQ. I don't feel it's a correct color for a sheepherding dog. A white dog would not be easily seen in a flock of sheep, it would virtually disappear when tending/herding in the snow and sheep respect colored dogs much more than pure whites. I've read articles by quite a few herding and tending trainers including Ulf Kinzel and none want white dogs for those reasons.  Also I think the less the AKC standard differs from the FCI one, the better it is for the future of the breed in the US.

Unless you have Black sheep! 

Blitzen Said: I don't feel it's a correct color for a sheepherding dog. A white dog would not be easily seen in a flock of sheep,

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say that and who it would be