another drago thread - Page 5

@Blackmalinois, 

Perhaps you're not aware, but one of the dogs I bred last year, now resides in Holland while being trained for a KNPV certificate.

All of my breeding stock come from KNPV kennels and has 2 generations of KNPV certificates behind them. 

I may not know the dog in the video, but he most assuredly is not a strong, dominant, possessive dog. As I said, nice entries, nice grips... But, it is not an extraordinary dog.

@Joanro, 

I am quite aware the venues are different. However, a dog's disposition in the guarding exercises belongs to the animal... In fact, it is an area where you can see a lot of a dog, if you know what to look for. 

I am more familiar with KNPV exercises than I am with schH, simply because it is my favorite program.  

As stated above, the dogs (GSDs) I choose for my breeding program come from KNPV backgrounds. 

Regards

Well WLGSD

Do you live in Holland and do you train yourself dogs in KNPV  wich club do you train ? 

What does it means your dogs have 2 generations KNPV certificates in your pedigree  ?

I know dogs who have 20  KNPV cerificates in the pedigree behind  .............

I don,t understand your IPO video post  if you know KNPV training so good  you must understand this are 2 different

dicciplines example did  you ever seen a KNPV dog on the table  training wich club in Holland and where ?

And yes there willl always been  more powerfull,stronger ,dominant .agressive dogs on the field

but you have never seen ths dog  yourself. 

Some people drink Pepsi, some people drink Coke.  Lots of dogs can be very good in different ways and still be good dogs and get the job done.

Going back a little bit to the barking thought, I never try to get too bent out of shape when I hear a high pitched bark,some dogs just dont seem to have it in their range,just like some people cant hit every high or low note,I,ve had dogs that could hit the low notes just because they were born that way,but yes everydog can change it up some at least within the range they were born with.

I just watched the Danjo vid, the Black Drago son, he appears on the large side,kind of reminds me of Drago,s Sire Nox build, a thick heavy looking body, but maybe with longer legs. Is Drago,s normal weight 97 pounds ?

@Blackmalinois, 

I do not live in Holland, but that does not mean I have not bred a dog that was shipped to Holland and is currently being trained for a KNPV certificate. Hope that is a bit clearer. If not, contact me privately and I will be glad to provide more information. 

I train my dogs in Mondioring, but if you go back on my their pedigrees, you will observe several ancestors with KNPV certificates. I fail to see how this is difficult to understand... I've never claimed to be a KNPV expert... just stated that I know KNPV exercises better than I know IPO, because I have spent more time learning and researching KNPV than I have spent time learning about IPO. Regardless, my sport is Mondioring, since it is the only suit sport available at my location.

As far as seeing dogs on the table at a KNPV club... I've never seen dogs being put on the table while visiting these clubs but if you read my words carefully, you'd realize there was not an attempt to compare training methods, which I am quite aware are very different. It was about the dogs disposition in the guarding... 

Do you consider the Drago son a very strong, dominant dog? If so, what from this video makes you believe that? 

No need to get so emotional. 

Regards

TP, that dog you posted that is more up your alley, i would not call that strong guarding either, just a friendly nice very high drive dog, with a nice grip.

i do like the dog, but possesive guarding??? i think not.

seriously my dog would have took the old guy out on the way into the blind just for fun and there is no way that decoy would be off balance with his face reaching over the table at the dog tied to a post, geez the face would be removed and spat at him, it gave me shivers just watching that.

@ WLSGD

Thanks for explanation and good to read you are interested in KNPV GSD,

But watching videos or training KNPV is very difference  to give an honest observation

I,m wondering this days how many  experts giving  opinion from a dog for only watching a small video

I know Ranger  I have trained same KNPV club  its not a very strong or dominant dog for civil or LE jobs and  the guarding is not extreme

sharp  or dominant  but its ok I have seen better, but I have seen a lot GSD this days who lacks for REAL  guarding.

blackmal, the term knpv gsd is misleading, it gives the impression to the learner that knpv is some special lines, sure the training is different but knpv dogs and ipo dogs are the same lines, knpv gsd does not exist without ipo brood stock.

people that import knpv gsd to breed outside of holland as something different are taking advantage of knpv reputation to sell puppies, marketting BS  like the border patrol dogs.

just wanted to make the point for the newbs.

i don't train either but a middle schooler that has never even seen a dog can look at the pedigrees and confirm what i say.

@vk4gsd I mean GSD who are trained in KNPV no marketing BS special

A good dog is a good  dog whatever KNPV,IPO,Ringsport,PSA