Be aware of Tim Klatt from vom Lübzer Eldetal !!! - Page 2

I hope you realize in Germany it is much easier to sue for libel and internet harassment.

I totally understand your disappointment, a contract is a contract, written down or not. No honest salesmanship in my opinion - but who besides you really cares? Enough puppies out there...

Hexe gave a lot of good reasons why the breeder might have changed his mind ( in my opinion most possibly he recognized the quality of the pups, German handlers, too, and he doesn´t want to "vanish" half of the litter ). Doesn´t excuse the behavior, though.

Time will tell - maybe next year you are glad you didn´t buy these pups...

Susie you are absolutely (like the Germans say) ''correct''.Puppies are just puppies,many faults come when they get older,and you never know how they will turn out.I seen puppies at the shows including NASS under 12 months old,and they were winning the puppie classes,but when they came back next year in the older classes they were in the middle or close to the tail of the pack.I am disappointed but life goes on and i will find another puppies i like in Germany,is still plenty good and reliable breeders there who respect the buyers and work with them, and keep their wards.Susie you seems to be very oriented in the topic,and you understand how the system works in Germany,unfortunatelly many people in the States don't,and what is even amazing many trying to defend Tim.All i have to say maybe some day they will try to buy dogs from him or someone alike.

jerzy, just so we're clear, I have no interest or intention of defending this breeder, because I also believe in the integrity of a person's word, and like you I would have thought the breeder and I had come to a firm agreement. That he was then rude to you about it serves to add insult to injury, as well. Reading that this is a young fellow and still somewhat wet behind the ears, I concur with susie's read of the situation, though that does not excuse his actions or his beastly way of speaking to you--if that's how he's going to treat potential customers, he's not going to have very many for very long, as word does travel.

Hexe you are ok.you made few good points and i agree with you,you were not defending him sorry if i was misunderstood,i reffered  this to comments posted by ''dobermannman'',i really question his ethics and knowledge in this matter.he don't seem to me know how complicated ,time consuming and financially  is importing dogs.To me and i hope to many others that should work this way, breeder and the buyer work together,and they both may commitment regardinding the whole transaction,if one break the commitment than is a problem.

There is no cost involved in importing puppies if YOU DIDN'T IMPORT ANY ! The breeder changed his mind about selling you 3 puppies and agreed to sell you 2. He doesn't have to sell you any and I hope he doesn't  sell you any.  When someone wants three females from the same litter it says PUPPY MILLER  to me.  I question your ethics

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DOBERMANNMAN,here is how my efhic work,if you were reading my post you should know buy now.From all three puppies there might be not even one which will be capable to be title,or have other conformation faults when they get older and they may end up to be pets.Do you think you can title every dog,i am into show line and i tell you maybe one of few is capable to do the job.Working lines are better,i am not an expert in WL but is the same problem,the procentage is smaller but still is.Buying three puppies you getting much bigger chances to pick at least one you can title,show and breed.Yes they all might be good enough for all this staff,then i would keep all of them and.I was very specific with Tim ,and i tald him i will keep two puppies for myself ,one i would co-own with friend of mine,and we would see how they grow and develope,if they meet my expectation then i will title them all and show them.That was my plan,but now is gone.

The bollom line is you came here trash talking Tim Klatt. A breeder who may not even be on the PDB to defend  himself.

Tim is under NO legal or ethical obligation to sell you any puppy (ies) if there is no cotract or  deposit. You have not been damaged other then you're not getting what you want.  We don't know why he changed his mind or what other conversations you two had, but when a breeder refuses to sell puppies, there has to be a reason.?  There are a hundred stories on the PDB about people who paid deposits or even paid all up front and never got a puppy.  Don't expect much sympathy from me just because you're not getting what you want.  Move on

Thomas Barriano

Jerzy just because Tom gives a comment that tries to look at what may be the reasons from the other side and doesn't give a comment that you like doesn't mean that he has no experience.  And then you say you question his ethics?  That was rather uncalled for.  A person who is reasonable rather then taking offense will try to see things from all angles realizing that each person may view things from a different angle and no one person has exclusive insight into any matter.  As far as the breeder there could be all kinds of reasons why he backed from three to two.  Maybe he lost a pup but not wanting people to judge him he might not want to mention that.  There are all kinds of things that can cause a person to lose a pup after it was born with no reflection on the breeder.  But if they say they lost a pup for a particular reason so many arm chair breeders will become the super vet and tell them what they should have done and the pup would have lived.  Thomas is very experienced as many others on this board are.  Hexe works at a vets office and has seen much from a medical view point.  Susie lives and shows in Germany and has a great perspective from that area.  And there are several more on this board who can give insights from different perspectives.  Utilize them don't shut them down. 

I for one am so tired of people coming on here and instigating trouble and then someone else being the one to be banned. 

Now if you wish to attack me also for trying to be the voice of reason you are welcome to.  Just make sure to spell my name correctly  (Reggie McIntyre)  by the way that was supposed to be perceived as a joke.

was it the litter from deperados von peddler and Tamy vom Lubzer Eldetal?