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Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 25 March 2015 - 14:03

I meant I should shut up because I missed the part that she was sold to breed somewhere else. I didn't mean I should shut up in general, on the topic of proper care. 


by Blitzen on 25 March 2015 - 14:03

Joan, since you've edited your original post, I can no longer disagree with most of what you are now saying.


by joanro on 25 March 2015 - 14:03

I edited because everything was said in two senrences that I wanted to say.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 25 March 2015 - 14:03

I don't have a problem with placing dogs who are done breeding or no longer fill a role in a breeding program *IF* the dog's quality of life will improve. In fact, I think it's a great thing for most dogs. I don't know a dog who wouldn't rather live with only one or two other dogs in a cozy home and work/play/whatever more often than they get to when part of a larger breeding program. I am actually contemplating letting my cousin foster one of mine who I think would benefit from a house with only one other dog. I can breed her, and she can live the way she's used to living- inside, with a child, full time. I do that here, but it means that another dog gets less time with me, so it's all about balance and putting each dog where they will do best.  I don't think anyone has an issue with a breeder rehoming a former breeding dog into a private home if the dog will be in a better place; I think the (well deserved) outrage here is that milk hadn't even dried up and she's shipped off to the next hellhole at a super cheap price and now that she *needs* something herself, she's too much of a burden. 

I got a dog from GA w/HW. Guess what? I'm treating her. I didn't even yell at the owner. He didn't know. He wasn't trying to screw me. She's a wonderful dog. 


by joanro on 25 March 2015 - 15:03

Still have my original dogs I started out with...I raised them from puppies and can't imagine 're-homing' them just because I'm not breeding them any more. They would not like living with strangers and enjoy going for runs into woods and hanging out with me at the garden. Pups from my litters that i raised and health test and temperament tested for hands on knowledge of what I'm producing is different...I raise them with intentions of placing them into a home. I raise pups from litters that I don't want to rely on second hand reports about them.

Zenit2010

by Zenit2010 on 25 March 2015 - 15:03

Jenni is right. And I have no issue with a responsible breeder rehoming a retiring female or retiring male. I think someday that I would like to offer my home to retiring show or sport GSDs, primarily because I may not be inclined to raise a puppy all over again.

 I am just mad that this female (like so many others across all dog breeds) has been treated like a breeding machine and she is barely 4 years old!  And now she needs medicine for heart worms, but the breeder that imported her is more concerned with what to do to get compensation from the Serbian (or Croatian) breeder that sold her the dog.

I hope that people looking for a puppy really do their research into a breeder and don't just buy into a pretty web site and the marketing verbiage on that web site.  If you want a GSD, find a breeder that truly has knowledge, experience, understanding, and care for this breed. 

 


susie

by susie on 25 March 2015 - 18:03

Born 10 /15 2011 the dog in question Kimmi had 4 litters in Eastern Europe and 1 litter in the States already...
I really like responsible breeders..

On your facebook page you state that all of the 11 pups are sold ( $ 1500,00 limited, $ 1800,00 full registration ).
I never heard about a "breeding program" selling all the puppies and the dam? What was wrong with her?
I guess you had to pay something around $ 4000,00 for the female ( more or less, depends on you )
In case you sold the pups for $ 1500,00 "only", that´s $ 16.500,00 + $ 1500,00 for Kimmi = $ 18.000.

Okay, you had to drive to the airport, you had to feed dam and pups, you had to pay for vet, vaccs, documents.
Might be around $ 1500,00 for everything.

You are a very good business ( wo ) man.

Okay, enough of this nonsense - normally I´d say the seller ( Boghaus ) has to pay for the heartworm treatment, but, honestly, you bought "cheap" - you got "cheap" - and you made your money ( see above ).

The only looser in this case is the dog.


Zenit2010

by Zenit2010 on 25 March 2015 - 19:03

Susie...I was thinking through this math while out getting some exercise with my dog.  I think that's the business model in this case.  Import a pregnant female with a decent showline pedigree and sell the puppies in the USA.  Then, either sell the female or perhaps keep her for another breeding or two, and start the cycle all over again by importing another pregnant female when space is available in the house. At an average litter size of 6 to 10 puppies, and providing that all goes well and healthcare costs are limited to routine vet checks and vaccines, the money looks easy.  :(

Only life gets in the way and tosses some unexpected circumstances that eat up the profits...


by joanro on 25 March 2015 - 21:03

So mh invites people come meet their dogs to make sure the customer gets the puppy of their dreams, or whatever. Only thing is, Kimmy has been whisked away as soon as her puppies could eat and crap without her...so you don't get to meet these puppies dam, or sire. Five litters of puppies by the time Kimmy was only three years old....boy she certainly has proven she can make money...
Mitchell haus, how young is acceptable to you to start cranking litters out of a 'titled, proven ' female? When did this poor little dog have time to get trained, then titled? You are not a breeder, you are a s√√√head for endorsing this kind of treatment of a dog. You called me uneducated....I call you a parasite and an unethical, immoral animal user.

by joanro on 25 March 2015 - 21:03

My mind is blown by this. And I know kimmy's demise is very common with the gsd breed in general...how can a three year old produce five litters? I have a female from one my litters, didn't come into heat for the first time till she was 14 months old. That was six months ago and she's not come in yet for the second time and she is not the exception for my females. What do those people do, give them hormones so they come into heat at six months? OK, so Kimmy had her fifth litter two months after her 3 rd birthday..so I guess she didn't get bred till she was 8 months old. Wheew! That's better! At least she didn't get bred at only six months old! If you were standing here in front of me, mythic haus or mitchell haus or whatever your name is,I'd tell you to your face exactly what I think of your kind....but I can't say it here!
I just hope that Kimmy survives long enough to be spayed and live with people who want her for the joy she will have playing and running across a field without her udders slapping her sides because she never had time to dry up before her next litter was due. Probly has not enjoyed running a playing ever since before she was weaned.





 


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