by BlackMalinois on 07 August 2015 - 15:08
Why the officer send the dog to suspect I don,t see any danger .......
OK suspect don,t follow all orders officer to stand up maybe suspect is afraid for the dog ?
Why this dog has no target leg or arm ?
Maybe some experience LE people can explain this
by kitkat3478 on 07 August 2015 - 18:08
it's not sport, it s life and death in many situations....
a couple of local police in a neighboring town to me have malis, told me they don t care where the dogs bite....
by yogidog on 07 August 2015 - 18:08
by BlackMalinois on 07 August 2015 - 18:08
In our country LE dogs will always be trained on targets , this video is ridicilous
This video dog have different options to bite we learn arm or leg no FACE have nothing to do with sport
Also there is no any threat.this guy is lucky he don,t miss an eye
5 commands for out .............no good control.
I,m sure in our country the officer get a big law suit or they kick him out of the department
I don,t know in the US LE officers and K9 is everything allowed. ?
by Hired Dog on 07 August 2015 - 19:08
I can tell you that dogs here are also trained on sleeves and will, most of the time, bite an arm, maybe a leg and there are those that will even refuse a bite if that arm or leg is not available...
A LOT of the police dogs here are also PH 1 titled Malinois and you can always tell that by where they bit the suspect. Having said that, I will say that street work is dangerous and dogs that target certain body parts to the point of refusing to engage when that particular part is not available can have deadly results. I had the first Malinois to work as a police dog in the USA back in the early 80's and he loved to bite in the crotch area...no one trained him to do that, it was all sleeve work and the big, bulky suits we had back then.
Again, let me see the video when I get home and I will add my thoughts on what I see/believe happened.
by Stephbpd on 07 August 2015 - 20:08
by bubbabooboo on 07 August 2015 - 22:08
The video starts in the middle of the clip .. back up to the beginning. I think the suspect had already been Tasered. Crap cops, crap training, a dog untrained or improperly trained. If you give cops a tool they often find a way to misuse it. If you watch the video the dog was biting the suspect while in cuffs. The bite command is "spot" and the cop gives it while they are cuffing the suspect and while he is cuffed. Who gave these idiots an idiot dog?? A gun, a dog, or a SWAT team ... it's like the proliferation of swat teams kicking down doors to serve warrants. Just an example of out of control use of force. A trained dog should not be going for a face or throat unless that is " proper protocol " as the cops like to say when they screw up royally. This why every cop needs a body cam and they should not have an off button on those body cams. Body cam protect the good cops and expose the bad ones that need to be weeded out. If this suspect was in fact guilty of something then who pays his hospital bills while in jail or prison?? These idiot cops used excessive force and the suspect innocent or guilty is going to get a $250K pay day including medical care. I think the cops thought their body cams were off if you listen carefully when they realize everything was on video.
by Sunsilver on 07 August 2015 - 22:08
Well, I'd have a pretty hard time lying still while the cops cuffed me if I had a German shepherd gnawing at MY ankle!
Turned out the man was totally innocent of any wrongdoing, and it was a case of mistaken identity. Oh, yeah, and he was black, too...
He sued, but I don't recall the outcome.
IMO, a police dog needs to be under better control than that, regardless of WHAT the story is.
by bubbabooboo on 07 August 2015 - 23:08
Chewing a guys face off for what?? Is the suspect a murderer or a dangerous felon?? If so there would have been a SWAT team with a cannon. The dog was biting the suspect while in cuffs .. the cops had no control whatsoever. That dog and that handler need to find new lines of work. The dog in the police body cam video was acting on instinct and not training. Dogs in a serious dog fight go for the throat ( choke out or kill hold ) or a muzzle bite and hold ( head controlling hold ) as this means the other dog can not bite them and may have trouble breathing. The police K9 ( Mal) was improperly trained and the handler deployed the dog improperly. The bite command is "spot". If cops don't care where their dog bites then why not a neck bite or a groin bite from which there is no result but death if a big artery is severed. Out of control cops, out of control K9 units and out of control SWAT teams that kick in doors and throw flash bangs on kids while shooting the family dogs need to go. Eighty percent of SWAT team deployments are now for serving warrants. What started out as special weapons and tactics is now routine use of excessive force. Most cops are killed in traffic accidents ( their car crashes ), roadside deaths (get hit by a car), and traffic stops ( shot by a criminal ) followed by heart attacks while chasing suspects none of which SWAT Teams have any possibility of influencing.
by hntrjmpr434 on 08 August 2015 - 00:08
Once suspect was cuffed, the K9 handler gave the command to out. You don't know why this guy was being arrested, so therefore for you to say they had too much force may be an invalid statement.
"Is the suspect a murderer or a dangerous felon?? If so there would have been a SWAT team with a cannon. "
Not necessarily. Lot of factors determining that.
To me, the officer said "pock" to get the dog to bite. Regardless, wtf does it matter?
I do not think the target of the bite was intentional, and it certainly was not the handler's fault.
As others have said, not all the details of the situation are know, so this may/may not have been excessive force.
Perhaps go back and rewatch the video so there are no incorrect ASSumptions.