GSD orgs, a guide for the perplexed. - Page 4

The breed standards must be approved by the akc? But the akc doesn't impose breed standards of their own. If one compares the sv show gsd and the akc american show dogs, both have failed the breed. As for errors, how does one gage the errors in each org? Until DNA was available, plenty of "errors" existed in the sv registry....that's why DNA became mandatory....for proof of parentage and to guard against 'errors'.

@bubbabooboo - You really are an idiot!!! You take bits an pieces of the truth and and rearrange it to promote your ideas as facts and at the end of the day you really are wrong and just continue to spit out bad information after more bad information.

The AKC and all pedigree registries are full of errors and fraud. If you look at who wrote the FCI requirements for the GSD it was the SV who held the majority on the committee as the country of origin and holding the power over the brand standard for the GSD. Just like the EU champagne standard for sparkling wines the SV manipulated the GSD standard to favor those on the home court. The buyer had better beware whether buying an AKC registered GSD or a FCI/SV GSD from Europe. The dog on the registration papers and the dog that you get may not be the same dog. Interesting will be the breeding requirements for the SV when agility becomes a sport for the SV and WUSV. I can pretty much guarantee that the GSD who do best in agility will not be the same type dogs as the top IPO dogs. Agility dogs will be smaller and faster dogs than the heavier sleeve biters. So does this mean the SV will have a third or fourth division in the GSD breed ... IPO, herding, agility, and "so called show". Personally the recognition of all types of GSD is a win/win but this may cause some in the SV/WUSV camp who see IPO as the ultimate test of breed worthiness some heartburn. Of course the other reality is that the GSD will likely not be the top breed in FCI or other international agility competitions ( Border and Australians ) just as the GSD is no longer the top IPO breed ( Malinois )

Cutaway and all .. the truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

" I would say that sparkling wine is sparkling wine and France and their trademarked champagne has become somewhat irrelevant to many wine experts since many other parts of the world produce comparable or superior sparkling wines. "

Bubba, let´s try it different:
Sparkling wine = any car
French Champagne = a special kind of car ( maybe Renault )
Beringer ( out of Napa valley ) = a special kind of car ( maybe General Motors )
Both products are sparkling wines ( for you: cars ), but the first product is a " Champagne", the second is a "Beringer".

For me there is only one reason why anybody wants to use the brandname of someone else: He wants to make profit out of the name/quality someone else established - cheap advertising.

I visited the Napa Valley a lot of years ago. I really like the wine out of this region, I still buy their products over here. A producer should be proud of the product he produces, he should not try to copy someone else by using the same name, jumping on the bandwagon.

Same with dogs - the different breeds were created in different countries - in my opinion these "countries of origin " have the right to establish the standard, nobody else.

You don´t like the standard? Don´t breed or own the breed - It´s simple.

The AKC and the GSDCA were not interested in the biting sports after years of opting out but now GSDCA has opted in once more to IPO and by default the AKC is back in recognizing the biting sports. Interesting will be the relationship dynamics of the FCI, AKC. and the AWDF ( working dogs = biting dogs ). Since FCI has always wanted to marry the AKC it could be the FCI could extend guest status to both the AWDF and the AKC winners in IPO and other FCI biting sports similar to the WUSV's multi member policies in the USA toward GSD organizations. It could be the FCI will double down on the AKC and cut the AWDF loose eventually as an invited guest to FCI biting sports events ( IPO and MondioRing to name two) in order to eventually woo the AKC and put an engagement ring on the AKC's finger.

Susie the only standard that matters to me is the breeder's integrity and the dogs that the breeder produces which meet my needs .. As we have seen with VW recently the standards can be tampered with when it meets the profit and advertising goals of an organization or corporation. I prefer to base my choices on the breeder and the dogs that I see with my own eyes and not the titles and scores at some event run by the judges and membership beholding to an organization. I have seen too many SV dogs that were titled but not trained to get too excited about SV titles and pedigrees. Once more it depends on the buyer knowing what is wanted and needed rather than a buyer being told what they want and need. As we always said in the cattle business " the buyer who doesn't know what he wants and how much it is worth is the hardest buyer to satisfy" but not necessarily harder to sell to.  There are a few breeders I would buy from sight unseen because I know their dogs and their philosophy .. it is not a matter of titles.  Advertising and brands are about convincing us what it is we want.  A lot of people say they want a fierce guard dog or police dog but almost all of them I advise "no you don't".  Some in the past have said they want two of my high drive puppies so they can grow up and play together and I say "no you don't".  When the Honda cars first came to the USA many including myself laughed but after several years of outstanding performance and reliability most Americans decided a Honda Accord was what they needed even if it was not what Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler advertising told us we wanted.

Not all IPO dogs are bred to be heavy sleeve biters as decribed, there are still some very. agile ,fast , small -medium GSD sized dogs in IPO and hopefully there always will be. I dont think mals overall will be doing better than GSD in IPO anytime soon, but it does seem like alot more police department are using them more these days.

"As we have seen with VW recently the standards can be tampered with when it meets the profit and advertising goals of an organization or corporation."
By sticking to your own statements VW=car now everybody who calls his car a VW ( be it a VW or not ) will be affected...

That´s what it is about, a car is not always a VW, it´s a car, and the producer always should be proud of his own name, be it GM, Renault, or VW.
All of them are cars, but they are DIFFERENT, good or bad, doesn´t matter in this case.

Only as a sidenote, I am an employee in a car dealership, we are a "daughter" of the VW group, using the same engines...

Bundi, in case the Mals are the "better" police dogs, I´m fine with it.
Goldens are the better blind dogs,
Australians are the better agility dogs...

Our breed is not supposed to be "the best in one venue", there are always specialists in some parts of life, why not?
It´s up to our breeders to breed a good "allrounder", able to participate in every venue without loosing the working abilities written down in the standard of the breed - they don´t need to "win" against specialists, but they must be able to do the job.