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by Blitzen on 17 October 2015 - 00:10

It must be a terrible disappointment for the owners/trainers/handlers of the dogs that fail to engage, etc.. I feel for them.

by neuen Polizei on 17 October 2015 - 01:10

To be fair, that helper is absolutely horrible! He was more worried about how the stick looked, that he kept it in the dogs face 100% of the time until the stick hit, then immediately went back to it. Between that and not knowing how to catch and drive them, he ran over/stepped on quite a few dogs. I'm not making any excuses for the dogs, they are what they are, but at least give them a fair chance. They need to get over finding random "helpers" and find some competent helpers that know the difference between working a dog at an high level IPO event versus a dog at a high level conformation event.

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by Western Rider on 17 October 2015 - 01:10

Well congratulations you found some Show line owners who had what it takes to take their dogs on the field not knowing if they were going to pass or not  and having a video made of it but still had what it took to do it.

Now I  am sure that it can be found videos or stories of working line dogs that can't do it.  Just look at all the dogs that try to be LE dogs and can't pass the test.  How about the ring dogs where the shepherd is not as good etc.

There are many levels of working dogs (talking bite work only) same as different levels of conformation    I do remember such ratings as not all are excellent so what some are better some not so good something for everyone.

NOT all dogs should be top level; Podium dogs the shelters would be full.

 I have no interest in trying to run down someone else dogs or owners as it will neither prove or accomplish  anything to the divide of the dogs.

I hope you don't follow on this path, again it is not a remedy to the problem




by BlackMalinois on 17 October 2015 - 05:10


Its not a TRIAL for this dogs but this dogs HAVE to do this on this podium because they are passed for IPO 3
if I.m right and this are championships they must be  enough prepared.

Can you show me dogs   failed and scared  @ the BSP this year  WUSV,ringsport or KNPV . PSA  championships  show me.@ the courage test  like to see  them.

Some of this dogs and owners have to stay away from this podium what are they thinking about about themself and this happen here every year ............I.m not try to dish GSD I know there are  good one too  but I can,t understand this owners

I feel sorry for the helpers


by Blitzen on 17 October 2015 - 13:10

I doubt many owners/trainers of dogs who fail their bitework at the BSZS enter them knowing the dogs are not ready and will not pass. Anyone who has ever trained and trialed a dog of any breed for any amount of time in any venue should recognize that any dog can fail any test at an given time regardless of how well it has performed in the past. There are many factors that influence how well a dog performs any task ranging from something as basic as the dog wasn't feeling well at the time to how it has been trained to respond to a stimulus and whether or not that dog can recognize a real threat  or if it reacts purely on instinct influence by the urge to kill anything that moves.

All the dogs on these videos may qualify at another trial, but they are essentially finished in the eyes of most GSD people (and Malinois people too).

by joanro on 17 October 2015 - 13:10

Twenty dogs ran to the decoy and put the breaks on because they didn't feel well? This wasn't a trial, it was a courage test, as these dogs have to be sch3 to even qualify for this show.
I was preparing my SL male for this test, and I asked the helper, what's so significant about this 'test', the dog does more than this in sch. At the time, the decoy came out of the blind and Ran towards the dog yelling and was about 50 feet away at the start of the attack. Mydog slammed into him and almost decked him. So now, in these videos, all of them not just these two, the dog is only about ten feet away from the blind and seems the helper only steps out and presents the sleeve. Any dog who has passed a IPO trial should be able to handle this test. As long as people make excuses and continue to bury their heads in the sand, the problem will not be resolved it will only continue to accommodate the level of ability....much like the school system here in the us.

by Blitzen on 17 October 2015 - 13:10

Welcome back, Joan.


by susie on 17 October 2015 - 13:10

"They need to get over finding random "helpers" and find some competent helpers that know the difference between working a dog at an high level IPO event versus a dog at a high level conformation event."
Do you try to tell us that the helpers were too hard? Not experience enough? Simply bad?
These helpers are the top helpers of my country, they are used for National trials, too.
Most of these dogs they don´t know, never "catched" them before - what do you want to see?
Mistakes happen ( like stepping on the feet ), but thinking about the amount of dogs they have to work on one day I´m only able to see minor faults in the helperwork. It´s pretty "easy" to work a well known dog, it´s pretty difficult to work 100s of dogs you know nothing about in a stadium.

Black, you are right, some dogs shouldn´t be there. On the other hand it´s good they were there, otherwise we´d never have seen them.
"I feel sorry for the helpers" - me too.

by joanro on 17 October 2015 - 13:10

As always, excellent post, Susie.


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