Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 12

Gigante, I dont believe the issuing of limited reg will better the breed the way it is being used by gsd breeders.

To reliya; dogs coming to the us from Germany, where registering litters is strict, there is absolutely no way to prevent the progeny from ending up in 'unsavory hands'.
As for breeders here, its up to them who gets their pups. Sellers who think they are covered by limited reg are still responsible for who gets their pups.
The original purpose for limited reg, I think, was for show breeders to be able to place puppies that had disqualifying traits for the breed ring...off color/markings, prick ears when the ears should fold, wrong coat type, etc. In that regard, the limited reg is effective and does help breeders with improving their lines. That's why 'limited' reg is not eligible for the breedring but can still be shown in performance venues. I don't believe akc foresaw the control by breeders ( on otherwise normal offspring) to require titles before the limited is lifted by the breeder.

Now I have a question for the 'limited' proponents ( those who actually have experience in USCA events).

Being as the koer is a breed survey, and akc papers are generally required to 'show' the dog; is a dog with 'limited' reg eligible for the breed survey being as a litter from said dog cannot be registered?
And, is a dog with akc 'limited' reg eligible for sv conformation show ring?

I thought the USCA had its own registry.

Maybe, but I know they requested, and i had to provide, my dog's akc reg and akc pedigree for the show judge to go over and hold in his hands before the show....whereas, an akc breed judge would most likely be suspended for requesting such documents on dogs in their ring.         

Joanro: Gigante, I dont believe the issuing of limited reg will better the breed the way it is being used by gsd breeders.

A crappy breeding program with strong limited contracts still has crappy dogs, likewise an excellent breeding program, good dogs, in the end strong or good breedings help the breed. So agreed, in and of its self, it wont.

Strong universal governing rules with a purpose and goal would be ideal, like that could ever happen...... At least then the lack of knowledge of the lines and what they carry and what it might do for you when mixed with x will at least be offset by a control for what was bred. I think we get back fast that way but will never happen. So a least a braking system to slow the role of fun breeding or fast buck breeding, while no cure, seems ok. I don't think most of the people with a major issue against it would be knocking on most all of the doors using it anyway.

Yes, full registration is needed for a breed survey, but considering that most working breeders will allow full registration based on titles (usually IPO1) and passing health tests, any dog that is eligible for a breed survey will have achieved the requirements to get the registration before they go for a breed survey.

Thank you, BW. Would full reg also be a requisite for the show rating before eligibility for breed survey, as well?

I believe for the working class it is, but again, same restrictions apply when it comes to releasing the full registration to the owner. Need a title and passing health tests.

Thank you, again.
This means that, unlike sv, the akc limited registration does indeed put restrictions on the the dog itself as to venues it's eligible to be entered....it's not just prohibiting litter registration. So if an owner puts a working/performance title on their dog, passes the exray tests, etc. and has invested two or three years in the dog, then needs limited lifted to get the breed survey requirements, breeder dissapears or go to prison, now what? Big risk, IMO.

Ah, glad to see the thread has gone to the natural ending of people making the most extreme possible statements to prove a point because they've run out of any kind of logical argument. Let's just go to the most extreme case possible to prove how limited is terrible.

I'll just make the statement that every time you sell a puppy on full registration, it will be bred at every heat cycle, then those puppies will be bred on every heat cycle, and then all those puppies will be bred on every heat cycle. More than likely to their brothers because the same people will own them and not feel the need to pay an outside stud fee and just keep everything in house. Therefore it is clearly not logical and way too big of a risk to sell any dog on full registration because that is way too big of a risk IMO to the breed. But at least all of them will be able to be shown and titled in an SV show in case you go to jail or just "dissapear."