Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 3

If requirements to full are bad for someone then logically those people have no right to gripe on the situation of the breed as a whole. If its cash and carry enjoy the consequences of that as well. One person can be trusted the public not so much. Xeph who cares how it looks consider the source. Of 10 that find it bad 7.5 will screw it up pronto if not structured.

Limited registration is not a reflection of the puppies and their worthiness as breeding prospects or their working/show ability. It's all a reflection of the buyer and the statistical probability of them not following through with their plans or just their lack of ability to do what they say anyways. The fact is, many breedings are advertised on the coat tails of the parents or grandparents. On top of that, the American customer does search out AKC registration as a sign of a decent breeder and a "well bred" dog. So to many "breed my dog once or twice" people, AKC is important.

Anyone that doesn't agree with limited registration is probably passing up good breedings, or if they do have breeding plans, they only care about breeding and don't have the same standards that the breeders they buy from have. If a breeder will lift the limited when working titles are achieved, dismissing that breeding just means that you're probably not confident in your abilities to achieve those titles, and also still have plans to breed the dog if and when you fail. That's the only reason to dismiss a breeding where stipulations are placed on the puppies. Otherwise, the type of registration should make no difference to a potential buyer.

with the limited registration an akc limited cannot show in conformation shows. So that is also why many breeders like xeph will instead of using limited will co register their show prospects and limited those that they think will go to pet only homes. several who do co-own have a set agreement on what is required and at what point that they will come off co-own. as well as with the limited if something changes where they want to show and no major faults they can change that as well.


Reggie

I think limited is fine, once you receive a working title, conformation, and H/E certs, then that should be lifted by the breeder. When you put that amount of work into the dog then you should have a good understanding of what pairing would benefit the breed. There is already way to many untested dogs in the U.S. Why should a breeder let a person breed to just anything without them putting in the same effort as they do.

I have shown in SV style shows with AKC Limited Reg, The AKC show ring is not allowed with Limited AKC but AKC obedience, tracking etc. is not an issue.

*Limited AKC reg needs to be lifted before the survey* ...... but AFTER the show rating, BH, AD, IPO1 and, very important, after acceptable certification of hips and elbows AND after the dog is old enoug TO breed.

Limited AKC is obviously not a selling point (for the pet/companion buyer wanting to breed to dog next door) BUT it is a responsible step for the breeder.

I do charge $500 more for puppies going into show homes and 99% of those leave with Limited Reg. at 8wks. I do pay to register each litter AND I do pay to register each individual puppy before they leave here AND I do pay to register my kennel name every five years with AKC

*In my opinion Sale Agreements & Price should be clearly posted on websites making it easier for the Buyer to screen agreements they don't like AND for Breeders (like me) to screen the Buyer wanting "just a pet"... for future breeding.

I've made a few mistakes over the years deviating from the above... Going forward I don't plan to ;)

Why are your pups to show homes $500 more expensive?

Should show quality puppies be less?

I charge more (not much more) because #1 I spend more time helping those owners (finding shows/trials and registrations for them and their dogs and ...)Eventually I also lift the limited and there is a fee for that as well.

Puppies with flaws are less (missing testicle at 7 week vet appointment or off bite or unsatisfactory conformation early or lack of drive or ....all go as pets) but many times my show quality puppies are in pet homes... For less - not more - assuming drives are suitable.

I have been offered more for a puppy.. But chose to take less (not more) for the same puppy knowing they wanted a pet.

I would ask why my pets are less except that would be off topic.  Gave my thoughts on Limited AKC registration ;)

Every registered dog I currently own is on a limited registration, or the breeder still holds the papers. I will get the papers on full registration IF the dog passes OFA certification and acquires a training degree of some kind. I will get the papers with the limited registration intact IF the dog is spayed/altered. I knew this before I purchased the dogs, and as my standard for breeding also requires that the dogs both have hip and training covered I'm fine with it. I also purchased from breeders I personally know, and trust aren't going to jerk me around down the road by adding more conditions, nor try to reclaim the dog.

My understanding of the reasoning for this limited registration was to decrease the number of back yard litters and to allow the breeder to prevent puppies they feel aren't of breeding quality to be bred and carry their kennel name. This doesn't mean that the parents were inferior in any way or should not have been bred... every puppy in even the best of litters don't need to be bred.

What I have problems with >>>> MAJOR PROBLEMS>>>> is the breeders who offer puppies for $1000 on limited registration or $1500 for open registration. It wasn't intended to make people more money! If the puppy is not of breeding quality, then giving an extra $500 for it upon purchase doesn't magically make them breeding quality.

It's $25 to change Limited to Full registration. I can see selling a puppy for less when there's a reason it can't be shown (like you said, teeth or testicles, etc.) but I don't agree with paying the breeder extra when I'm helping to promote their lines by actively showing the dog. Checking show schedules and filling out entries isn't all that hard. I wouldn't expect to pay less for a pet puppy with no disqualifying faults out of a good litter.

I understand the rationale behind a limited registration and I agree with it, even though my last two dogs had full registration. One thing that disturbs me is the number of dogs I come across, mainly at the local dog park, who have no registration. When I inquire about lineage and lines and such the standard answer I get is "oh, she doesn't have any papers, those dogs were too expensive and I really wanted a shepherd". A clear example of how the popularity of the breed creates sad market demand and uninformed clients.

It's not uncommon for these same people to approach me and ask how I managed to train my dog to be so obedient and observant of me. That opens a good dialogue to explain that most of the traits they witness have NOTHING to do with me and more to do with a proper breeding program that produces dogs with the traits and disposition that make a German Shepherd Dog a German Shepherd Dog.

As someone has already mentioned, shelters and rescue organizations are full of inferior dogs, resulting from uninformed/unscrupulous breeding. While it isn't the only reason, a primary reason for this is because the owners got an unbalanced dog and couldn't handle it, so they dump it. I would fully support any action to reduce this problem.