Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 8

'...but these washed out dogs don´t affect "our" breeding stock, and almost none of the offspring ever comes back later on...'

Lolol.

But Susie, if not 'washed out' and is sold as a puppy, that isn't health tested or cleared for breed ability, still gets bred in the us...that kennel name is on it still.
Being 'sold for pets'..does that mean no import pedigree?

At that point ( puppies ) things become difficult.
The pedigree belongs to the dog, not to the breeder ( German law ), that said I have to give the pedigree to the buyer.
No problem, as long as the dog stays in Germany, the buyer has to fulfill the breeding requirements in case he wants to get pedigrees for the litter ( and dogs without peds are worth less than € 300 over here, most of them are given away for € 200 or less ), so there is no real intention to breed German Shepherd dogs without pedigrees.
As soon as a puppy leaves the country, we are "out of the game", sad, but true.

Joan: "Screening buyers is the first step."

Bingo ! Yes, screening buyers and ensuring they are the "right ones" for these dogs.

If one sells dogs to unsavory characters, then I would not expect them to do the right thing. And vice-versa, if the buyers are the right ones, identified via screening, why would we leave dangling strings around ?

Whew dogs have been are in the crapper for decades and all we had to do was screen out the un savory buyers.. thank goodness that the answer was/is so simple.

Resolved, good screening saves the GSD in 2016

 

"Resolved, good screening saves the GSD in 2016"

Yes, absolutely true, *IF* you as a breeder, do a good job in screening your customers well, and not sell your pups to all and sundry.  

Au Contraire, if you take shortcuts during the screening process, you will not only have to resort to "limited" tricks, but also have to cope with generally bad outcomes for the pups.  If I were to ever sell any pups, I would have a broken heart if those pups had a rough time due to the shortcomings of my screening process.

Screening is to hopefully ensure the safety of the pup and that the placement is appropriate for the skill level of the new owner.

The idea that the bred is saved by screening is about as polyanish as its gets. Its based on hope that screening is always correct, that people don't lie, that peoples goals don't change, that people will always choose whats right not whats easy, that people understand the bred, that people understand how to breed, that people can understand what a good dog is, that people can control emotion and logically evaluate and on and on. Have you seen the world? Are you in hole? This is not the rock we live on.

Theres no way without strict control that dogs will get better even with some control like the SV the bred continues to slide so somehow no control and good screening will reverse it. At face value no way, Jose.

Until theres something that can help propagate & better the work of the breeder thier/my blood sweat and tears.... asking for a laughable CGC and some hip X-rays sounds like a small price to enter breeding. I don't even entertain the idea of breeding/full registration for most people that ask, I give them a competitors number thats my screening process. :)~

Gigante, 'limited registration' isn't going to 'save' the breed. If an owner wants to register a litter, all they need to do is go with UKC and/or ckc.
If your progeny is so at risk of 'ruining' the breed if they are bred, give them away without registration. Period. Pesonnally, if my progeny were so terrible that the breed will be ruined if they are bred, I would not have bred the parents to begin with. And yes, screening is the first step. I would not knowingly place a pup with a puppy miller, or dog flipper. Even though the latter did inadvertently happen, at least the dog ended up with a better owner the second time...people do lie, but again, if your progeny is so bad they are going to ruin the breed, stop breeding them.

 

Ps. Just saw your last paragraph. Made me wonder why you would consider other breeders to be your 'competitors'. Selling must be important for you to be in competition with other breeders; unless you compete in the show ring or schH field.

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I stated only strict control will turn this boat around, not limited. I stated thats a small price a CGC and X-rays.

I never stated limited saves the bred.

I never stated my progeny are not bred worthy. Being an ass does not help your point ;)~ I implied knowledgable worthy people of breeding are limited.

The silly extreme that people who want a direction to be followed with their strain, their line, is evidence that the dogs are not breed worthy is ridiculous once again..... at face value.

So now its the first step to bred betterment is screening, now theres a second, hidden step. That would be???

Yes competition is healthy. There are other breeders who bred working class dogs, go figure. People can choose a kennel go figure, Im not sure why that would be news to someone, but go figure.

The whole "go to UKC or CKC" thing is a farce. Sure, the regular puppy buyer does tend to be clue less, but the majority still acknowledge the AKC as the only true registry. This in turn provides a higher amount a person can charge for a puppy if and when they breed. You'll find that rare sucker who thinks UKC or CKC is equivalent and be able to sell them a puppy, but those are not the people paying market price for a puppy anyways...$1000+ dollars that is depending on lines, health checks, and titling of parents.

Those that go to an alternative registry or just don't register the puppies will quickly realize it's not worth their time to breed litters and sell the puppies for $500 or less, it's just like susie talked about in Germany...end of the day, puppies at less than $500 are not worth the breeders time and do not bring a large enough return to keep going.

Those that sell on limited are definitely making a difference in the breeding of untitled and untested GSD by people that have no business doing so. However small, and probably irrelevant, they're still doing something. If EVERY reputable breeder that has higher standards for breeding did the same, we might take a bigger chunk out of BYB breeding, but until then, some people make a difference, others don't and it really doesn't affect the direction of the breed that much in the US. Mostly because the biggest majority doesn't follow any kind of working requirement anyways and so they don't limit their breedings based on that. Until the leadership of the breed club does something, nothing will change, and the leadership themselves won't dare to do anything because they won't be in leadership for long if they do.