Thoughts on Limited Registration - Page 9

All one need do to circumvent 'limited' akc, is register the vdog with UKC, then register the offspring with akc. Puppy mills use akc. No one is going to eliminate puppy mills with 'limited' reg....that's a farce.

The difference...or similarity between akc and UKC is....

"In some things, not much and in others like atmosphere, worlds apart. However, many AKC dogs are dual registered with UKC.

You will read some people spout off how "UKC is a puppymill registry" and stuff. This is from people who have no clue about UKC. AKC is no angel, they were about to get into bed with Hunte Corporation, the biggest supplier of dogs to pet stores in the U.S. The United Kennel Club registers many breeds that are not yet recognized by AKC. I'm talking about rare breeds, not "designer" breeds.

UKC is more performance oriented, besides offering conformation, they also offer: obedience, agility, terrier races, dock diving, weight-pull, rally obedience.

AKC, though they offer some performance events, is more geared towards conformation. The performance events they offer are: tracking, obedience, agility, rally obedience.

UKC does not allow professional handlers in conformation, AKC does. Obedience routines are different, agility is different. UKC is the second oldest reputable registry in the U.S. "
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100524202259AA26Ofv


Remember, akc will register UKC dogs.

Lol, have you looked up how many events the UKC offers? Stop living life on the Internet and actually get out and do something with a dog.

I don't need a lesson about UKC and AKC. If you're in any state other than Michigan, you'll be lucky to find 2 trials a year to enter your dog. They might offer more "performance" events on paper, but in reality unless you live in their home state of Michigan...you'll be traveling across the country to actually title a dog.

There is still a huge difference in the public's eye in regards to AKC and UKC registration. Anyone really still looking to try and be a legitimate breeder, will need AKC. You're denying it to yourself if you don't believe AKC registration has a good $200-$300 premium on non-AKC registered dogs.

" All one need do to circumvent 'limited' akc, is register the vdog with UKC, then register the offspring with akc. Puppy mills use akc. No one is going to eliminate puppy mills with 'limited' reg....that's a farce."

That sounds more than depressing - this system sucks.

"Lol, have you looked up how many events the UKC offers? Stop living life on the Internet and actually get out and do something with a dog."

Right.
The first AKC CD I put on a dog was my 1 1/2 yr old Komondor . He happened to be one of maybe three that ever got one at the time. The last CD I put on a dog was an amerikan bred byb gsd for a client. The first BH I put on gsd was my female I raised and trained from a puppy. The next month I put BH on both of my male gsd that I raised and trained from puppies. The next month I put schh one on one of those males, just turned two yrs old (hot) the next weekend I put sch one on my female( hot) three weeks later I put her schh two on her and the same day i put schh one on my other male (both hot) both just three yrs old.

So save your insults for somebody else you don't agree with.

Susie, follow the money..that's all that matters.

This about somes it up.

Con:  If you try to force a modicum of bred ability your a control freak who does not screen well and resorts to tricks. If you use AKC your associating with puppy mills. If you require breeding knowledge to breed your strain you pups are not breed worthy. No money should be spent on those with any control mechanism for bred betterment, import instead. A bred registry with limited until you fulfill the prerequisites for breeding is acceptable but no breeder should attempt to do any such thing. Your an self rightious ego manic if you require steps to breeding. If a person PAYS MONEY for something, dog, horse or hampster, they should own it and not have strings attached          

 

Pro: Its a tool to utilize where none exists to control what is produced from your line. Its a quality control mechanism to not tarnish whats been built. Limited is fine why should someone breed a line without putting in the time to train and test. It does help reduce byb'ing and allow the breeder to help prevent puppies that don't make the grade from poorly representing the kennel. How is a dog on limited any different than the requirements the SV puts on animals in order to get pink papers for puppies?

"Your an [sic] self rightious ego manic if you require steps to breeding."

???


" If a person PAYS MONEY for something, dog, horse or hampster, they should own it and not have strings attached."

That's what BUYING means. 

" A bred [ sic] registry with limited until you fulfill the prerequisites for breeding is acceptable..."

The registry didn't SELL the pup...it's selling REGISTRY.

"...but no breeder should attempt to do any such thing."

Don't SELL before breeding requirements are done, if want the dog bred.

Even sv doesn't allow reg papers restricted to buyers.



"Your an [sic] self rightious ego manic if you require steps to breeding."

Your being harsh on yourself.
PS. I didnt waste my time reading further, so no comments on the rest of your post.

 

 

To remind you, I dont care what you have in your sales contract. I'm not rying to change what you do with your customers. After all, the title of the thred is, 'Thoughts on Limited Registration' , not  'Convince Sellers to Stop Using limited reg'.

Those are the posts some paraphrased some not. If I was on the fence for me the con's moved nothing. Pay attention for petes sakes I rarely offer full, rarely. So I really don't have a horse in the race. I was only peaked by the idea that people who complain about where the dogs are at find issue with breeders using it. Still after nine pages that thought process makes no sense to me.

Its been said a bunch but you seem to keep missing it..... the SV does control and have strings attached to breeding, how you name it, care to frame or cheat it, is irrelevant.

" Its been said a bunch but you seem to keep missing it..... the SV does control and have strings attached to breeding, how you name it, care to frame or cheat it, is irrelevant."

What is irrelevant is you claiming I am naming framing or cheating any thing. What is rellevant is that I said the sv does not put restrictions on issued puppy registrations. What is relevant is the difference between sv and akc limited reg. Sv requires the adult dogs have certain titles before their litter can be registered. But the reg papers on a PUPPY are not restricted. Gigante, what is your problem....I don't care what you do..get over it! Do what ever you want in your sales contract...nobody is telling you not to. Nobody even cares, what you do. I gave my opinion answering the op's question. You don't need to agree...gawd, by now I am happy you don't agree. Tear your reg papers up for all I give a shit...in fact, better yet, don't even register your litters...nobody cares by now!