A man's dog: An old school A #$ hole. - Page 2

I was trying to hear perspectives about a man's dog.

Why do you think this type of dog is only a mans dog.

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I’ve yet to meet a single high level trainer who wants a handler aggressive dog. I’ve yet to meet any kind of police or military handler that would want one as well. Very very very few GSDs or Mals are truly handler aggressive and it’s usually handler/trainer created due to a lack of clarity in the training and the dog finally having had enough. A lot of times what you see is that handler aggression means the dog would rather “fight” than shut down, which is what people want to see, and so when the dog is finally in the hands of a capable handler they will teach the dog what they want and the handler aggression goes away while the power stays.

Management? I’ve never really heard anyone having problems managing a dog because high level people tend to kennel their animals and aren’t the ones taking their dogs to the farmer’s market every weekend. I do have high energy/high drive dogs which aren’t “safe” around everyone. They just don’t get taught the same kinds of manners that pets do and therefore are easier to manage by keeping out of the way of guests to my home. Not the end of the world for my dog to be kenneled while people are over.

I think you’re right about the other things and people do want harder/stronger dogs. High level training requires a lot of pressure from the handler and the dog has to be able to take it without taking it personally and shutting down. Dominant is something that comes with that as you can’t take a dog to a high level and worry that it will crumble seeing a newer/bigger/faster helper/decoy.

The people I see you idolizing and speaking with generally play down the dogs that are winning as softer and weaker because they don’t actually have the ability to train the type of dog they like (as you’ve described) to that level themselves. They make themselves feel better by saying that the dogs that are on the podium are softer, weaker, prey based, not aggressive, ect. The truth 99.9% of the time they just don’t have the ability to train a dog of that caliber, or…their lack of training ability and control makes the dog look stronger or “more dominant” than it really is and they sell that to. There are even plenty of times where the handler figures out that their dog isn’t as hard/strong and has to back off the pressure/control in order to maintain some level of power from the dog.

BW; great explaination. thank you

Student, watch what you say to Mithuna or your phone might start blowing up with abuse, obscene texts and you might get a slew of warnings that someone is trying to access multiple accounts belonging to you.

Ah, I think Mithuna is talking about the legendary "gangster" dog. A dog that is so wild and dominate that professional trainers cannot even train it. Some people believe that such dogs that have gotten strong feral instincts from their wolf ancestors and thus they have become undomesticated. Not much is known about the dogs as they are so feral they usually have to be put to sleep or just killed. (More likely they tried to kill someone or actually did and are then put down by animal control or shot by police.) The dogs are most likely mentally insane from what I've heard. These dogs are usually not the kind of a dog a normal person would want. German Shepherd Dogs have been known to be "gangster dogs" on occasion, but the dog breed most people would see now, would be Pit Bulls.

Dog fighters actually breed just for "gangster dogs" because they are so dangerous. And thus the reason Pit Bulls have such a bad reputation. So if people would not breed for "gangster dogs" a lot of people who were killed by "dangerous dogs" would be alive right now. Yes, it's really true. Those breeders who breed for fighting dogs are basically breeding loaded guns with no safety. And then we have people who just have to own a "bad ass" dog, who buy dogs from those breeders and then let them run loose. Not sure which person is worse, the breeder or the owner, as they both know their dogs are dangerous and don't keep the dogs from attacking others. Sort of like is the gun maker evil as he knows people will be killed by his guns, or the one who owns and uses the gun to kill someone evil? Or both.

So in the end, do you really want to buy a dog that is most likely going to kill you? Hell, it would kill your family or friends, other animals even! They do NOT like human contact really at all. These "gangster dogs" are not normal dogs they are more like lone wolves. It would be like trying to make a full blooded wolf into a domesticated house dog. No way in hell is that going to happen. Oh, the wolf can act tame sure, but the minute you let your guard down, you would be dinner. In fact that happened to one woman a few years ago. Horrible way to die, being eaten by an animal you raised yourself. And I'm sure I remember hearing of other people killed by feral wolves or wolfdogs even. And people are killed every other week somewhere in the world by a "gangster dog". So it's kinda suicidal to have one of those dogs really.

Luna
I think you went a bit too extreme in your understanding.Im talking about some of these dogs were known and registered GSDs

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I walked up for my protection critique and the club members were playing Usher. Apparently the judge had said something like "here comes the gangster" as we walked out. Oh, wait - I can't have a gangster dog because I'm not in possession of a penis. My bad. I'll go back to parasols and sidesaddles now...

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