Roached backs - spread the religion! - Page 10

SUNSILVER

How dare you say Pugs are ugly...beauty is in the eye of the beholder, at least pugs have nice straight powerful backs !!!!!

Roached back is similar to the german Karpfenrücken (carp back). The Problem here is, as said correct before, the back in the middlehand is higher than the wither.

The GSD weight is balanced 65% on frontleg and 35% in the backhand. In opposite is the power in the backhand 75% to 25% in the front. To use alle 4 legs on the same level you need a strong firm back to direct the power from the backhand to the wither. Because of the gravitiy and the 65% weight of the forehand the direction can't go only forward, it must go up and forward. Here is the 23° degree of the croup the best angle, but you have to measure from the straight topline, not when the dog is stacked.

Roached back is similar to the german Karpfenrücken (carp back). The Problem here is, as said correct before, the back in the middlehand is higher than the wither.

The GSD weight is balanced 65% on frontleg and 35% in the backhand. In opposite is the power in the backhand 75% to 25% in the front. To use alle 4 legs on the same level you need a strong firm back to direct the power from the backhand to the wither. Because of the gravitiy and the 65% weight of the forehand the direction can't go only forward, it must go up and forward. Here is the 23° degree of the croup the best angle, but you have to measure from the straight topline, not when the dog is stacked.

The Back spread the power from the backhand and the weight of the front to the whole spine, like a fishing rod. That's also the reason stretched dogs can better move, they can spread all problems better to a long back.

If you havn't a topline like that it will cause a higher risk of disc prolaps, a big problem with the working lines with "straight" backs. 

What is the stupid point of this stupid dicussion what is you trying to accomplish here nothing as usual this problem is bigger than all of you,why? because every freaking tom ,dick and harry,idiot is an authority and breeder of this breed and every one wants to produced a supper dog and no one knows how.stop crying about it and enjoy the dog you have.you do not like a dog with banana back or whatever you want to call it do not look at or do not buy it. in this day and age there is a german shepherd for every one.and that is the reality so do not worry about it too much.best thing you can do is to learn to figure out first as to what kind of shepherd you really want for urself and then find one and learn properl;y to work with it and enjoy it.do not worry too much about things u got no control over.have a nice one.

jeckl8, would be nice if that link was in english

It's not about what we like, it's about what the SV standard calls for and clearly that is not a roached topline or a dog that arches it's back when gaiting.  The point is not that one can either like or not like a roachy GSD; the point is breeding to the SV standard. Personal preferences don't count. Why support a characteristic that violates the breed standard? What's next - Oh, I like a dog without full dentition so it's OK to breed for that? How about an east west front? Cowhocks?

Blitz has a very firm straight back. I cannot set him up to look as if he has a roach. However he is moderately angulated on both ends. I have to think there is more to making a dog look roachy than the way he is posed. He or she must have a lot of rear angulation to accomplish that look along with a very flexible spine.

Yea, I could't stack my dog to look deformed like that if I Duct taped him all up. Spines that stick out like tent poles turn me off. Had a showline like that, GROSS is all I can say.

Hello 4pack

http://www.schlossbuldern.de/article-english.html

hope you can understand my translation!

JECK18 your link is brilliant and oh what a dog,i think your posts are very informative and easy to understand but i am afraid it will fall on deaf ears.most of the working line fanatics will never see your point as they think sraight fronts,straight rear angles,flat short croups,level toplines are what the breed standard calls for.in fact as long as the dog can bite hard stuff conformation.jeck,i suggest you keep your vast knowledge of the breed for those wishing to learn about correct gsds.  liz

Hello liz,

thank you very much for your praise. we had this discussion before on this board http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/164925.html, maybee Chris (silbersee) edit here article to link them to the origin pictures on my website.

The missing pictures are the ones in my article.

I think some people learned, and what can be better do make a breed better, even when it is the human race.

It's important to keep on fighting for the truth. We shouldn't forget that the GSD is a breed planed on the drawing-board, wich was a ideal, a dream.

Rittmeister Stephanitz could only create the rules and send his baby on the way, teaching him to walk. He was a human like everybody here with his god and bad sides. Other than the most people here think, the size of the breed wasn't limited to 65cm. Stephanitz  himself made dogs Sieger with size over 72 cm, that was in the time the idea of "Hochzucht" (wordly translated "highbreed") to correct the relation between body deep and legs. The name "Hochzucht" is used today for showdogs. Very good article from Lothar Quoll about size. Than Stephanitz suddenly changed to very small males with 60 cm.

In the breeding standart he discribes his (and other founder of the SV) Vision of a dog, as a example, the perfect frontangle of 90° still is reached from very few dogs.

But the physical structure of the planed anatomie for the perfect mover is what we can reach to make his dream and vision come true. We still should keep in mind, that the workability still is nessesary for a good GSD.

In my opinion everyone who tries only to hit only one of the goals, structure or work, is scared and weak, charakter attributes we don't like at our dogs, so we shouldn't have them as breeders!

Uwe