Czech breeders - Page 10

As for collar I use prongs. I taught my female leash pressure and heeling with a prong and she will pull hard into it during protection. So I dont think a collar is any excuse for a dog not moving forward confidently to engage the decoy.

Haz,

Two good posts. 

 

The video probably best represent for me what I would expect from a good 80 or 90% of older dogs raised in a family environment, by people who are not to familiar with nor wish to raise even a med strong dog for family protection. The dog appears to be a lap dog on its first run. So, of course the collar matters. Sunsilver's right all things should be managed to get to your desired outcome, quicker. What collar is grabbed and used on a dog, with a little experience, working defense, will have no or less bearing on it moving forward, I would agree. That dog is all play. A lap dog so....

Great info..  Haz, from your personal experience, do the WGWL/East lines appear to have stronger nerves ? 

that is only personal opinion HAZ, I test lots of dogs for  police and armywork and find many of the current westdogs to be nervous and soft, preydriven oly, when you take away the sleeve  and put some presure they are out

 

problem is that many peopl who want czech dog, want dark sable and big bone and dont look any further at all

there are still plenty strong lines in czech dogs , and police worldwide is happy with them every day

Good type of as Old Style Czech dog will show good proportions between prey and defense. Will not hold grudge or be mean but will be able to  face and  resisit any threat under considerable  stress.   Such dog will use prey and defense as necessary. Todays popular training strictly in prey is training only 1/2 of a dog. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtGnzz ... e=youtu.be

Take note how the dog defuses at 0:22- 0:24 when the thread stops and turns into sweet expression. Same can be seen at 1:09

On this video civil defense is indoors and outdoors and then ( timer 0:58) outdoors you see civil prey. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSj7buMCiM
 here you can see civil training and good balanced natural dog with mostly Czech pedigree. FYI: Czech dogs are not created by Czech geographical purity of a pedigree. All GSDs came originally from Germany. Thus there is no shame to have German dogs in a pedigree of Old Style Czech dog. There are many dogs coming from Czech which would not fit Old Style Czech dog category though. 

 Prager Hans

 P.S. dog on the video is about 14mo - 15 mo 

 

 

I was just asked to critique  this video of a "Czech Dog",

And before anyone accuses me of bashing anyone.......let me point out that I like the dog, and I do not know who owns it.......... or if it is for sale etc. etc.

After viewing the video, I believe the dog  has a lot of Heart & Courage, my first concern was......at approx. 0:45 of the video the dog displays a gait which looks a bit off.  This may be due to poor video quality?

 My second concern was at 4:00 of the video the dog appears to hit a "Brick Wall" so to speak, when I slow the video down I was very disturbed about the impact on the dogs neck and spine.

The dog continues to engage in the fight despite the above mentioned factors, this is a good dog, my third concern was at 4:13 as the handler approaches the dog  and talks to it (chewy bites begin)  I have to question why?

My fourth and final concern ........ the dog refuses to out at 4:23 and gets hung over the handlers shoulder to choke him out,  had the  basic foundation work been done with this dog I doubt it would have to have been choked out to release a sleeve?

Just my thoughts........

Watch the video and decide for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NgI20nZMeo&sns=em

 

Kim

My fourth and final concern ........ the dog refuses to out at 4:23 and gets hung over the handlers shoulder to choke him out,  had the  basic foundation work been done with this

dog I doubt it would have to have been choked out to release a sleeve?

Is it possible that with some dogs, due to their strong drives this is not possible (without destroying the dog with heavy corrections). The optics certainly are better, looks like a tough dog :-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoaKtv9-as0                 This is "part 2"

The "choking out" is "spectacular". The dog is a "sleeve killer", always trying to bite in the soft part (in the angle) of the sleeve, the teeth do find a lot of jute at that point. Might be lack of training ?
There are better clips of this dog in the net, they seem to be older, when he was trained regularly ( a guess only).

Guddu, you are able to teach every strong dog to "out" - it´s just training.

Yes, Susie, I found some as well. 'Trained regularly" and with different, better trainer.