BIG heads, super dark sables, super hips. That is the problem - Page 11

of course, here's my boy Duke. Even though I love the Showlines, I think that crossing Show/Work line is something that more breeders should do.I have read here on the database of some Very Successful dogs, out of crossing the lines.
     if more breeders did this, it would definately help to diversify the lines. But, when you have the show fanciers thinking they will lose the look, and the working line people feeling the showline is inferior as far as work-ability of the showline dogs, they don't want to step-out and take the chance.
     The fact that sables are becoming more popular and recognized to the General Public as German Shepherds, can only help the breed. .

Mixing showlines with working lines is a disaster, lol. The worse thing ever to happen to the GSD is show people, it's definitely the single worse thing, what a mess they made.

Jim got the spot on the  tongue right. Sorry for not being more clear.
Dark spot on the tongue is a sign of deep pigmentation. If you start loosing pigmentation then it shows often first on tongue and gums. (Gums must be black or do not breed the dog!) As I said before genes do not control only one thing. Thus it is empirically recognized that loss of pigmentation is a first sign of degeneration of the line. Thus the old truth from Czech is that if all is the same than you should always breed the dog with the spot on the tongue. I remember some purists which would not breed a dog without a black spot on a tongue.
 Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Ibrahim you have interesting point. Off course dog with black spot on his penis would have deep pigmentation and thus he would be less degenerated and thus would be better producer. 
On the other side black color-> aggression connection is probably just a myth or superstition. White dogs, horses, chicken who are heading for albinism are usually more nasty and aggressive. There is an example of a gene for albinism being connected with weak nerves with propensity  to aggression.  That is also going with my statement above where I have said that if we breed against nature then unintended consequences will accrue. There are almost no white animals (Polar bear) and if they are white they are not albinos. Albinos have white skin ( no melanin) white wild animals have white hair or feathers but the skin is not white.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

Polar bears skin is black. The hair is hollow. Just watched a program on Natgeo channel about polar bears, lol

Here is Barbie and her son claus.  here is a link to claus's littermates, there is also a better picture of Barbie in her normal color).  www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/progeny_pictures/492204.html

Here is the pedigree of my puppy Viva, Mirasmom: www.vomsilbersee.com/piachaman.html

Hans, I am sure I am not the only one who also has dogs (our sables and the blacks mostly) with big dark spots inside the ear. Sometimes, it makes the tattoo No.s hard to read.
Chris

I look for the whole package when looking to breed or picking out a dog/puppy. I have a color preference (just for me) that I want for myself, but that doesn't mean I would breed just to get that color. Good qualities to look for: temperament, structure, drive, pigmentation. Each of those can be broken down into categories too.Picture of my female Yoko at 1yr.

Well, I might as well add my boy !  

SG  Atom Von Der Coeur
BH, CGC, AD, B.H.O.T  ( soon to get his Schh 1, and kkl)
OFA good at 5.5 years old !!

Son of AJax vom Adlerbach x Forst Haag Karma



Above photo on his 4th B-day

Next photo this winter at 5.5 years, Hope to get a better photo when winter breaks !



 

PRAGER:

Is this a test?

Should we have prospective owners calling  up looking for uncertified hips, weak pigment, and pinched skulls?

If it is a fad, I would dare say it is a bloody good one and long time coming!

Freemont.