Schutzhund Dog and Personal Protection Dog - Page 6

vomeisenhaus, I watched your videos and i must say you are right, im without words.I wish I had one of those

duke, I don't know if you are being serious in your above statement, however, I have been reading vomeisenhaus's and your posts for a long time now, and you guys are not so far apart when it comes to knowing a good dog me thinks.  Both of you  are usually spot on IMHO.

Unfortunately I have dial up and it would take forever to see the video but I trust both of your opinions.

Duke. Don't get mad because I called your cards lol. I'm still waiting to enjoy the show. :) would love to see a video of a 10mo old puppy you have. And don't lie about the dogs age and id prefer to see a female. :)

Just out of curiousity, is Dusty a military K-9 trained in apprehension work?

There is no doubt in my mind that there are Sch. dog capable of being excellent PPD. There are also those rare dogs with the natural aggression and fight drive that will take severe abuse at the hands of an attacker, because they have the hardness of character and the desire to win. This represents a very small percentage of dogs and I will go out on a limb and say there aren't to many lines or individual dogs that can produce this "type" consistantly. These dogs are what I call genetic freaks and it's like winning the lottery when you get one. The scenario you describe would wash out way more than 75% of dogs if tested, including many dog's people think could handle it.

 Personaly, I wouldn't make any claims to what a dog is capable of doing with out training and testing it first. A dog trained in any sport will have far to many holes in it's training to be considered a true protection dog. It's not to say the dog isn't capable, it just hasn't recieved the training required to make it well rounded and effective in this line of work.   

Fellofher... they are not genetic freaks. They are out there. If you truely want one you can get one. Its not going to be for 3000 euros. Anybody who want one pm & ill point them to the man who can get it. You better have some fairly deep pockets. Sid vom haus gremm was just a schutzhund dog to but I wouldn't want to get stupid with him around. The only holes he had to his credit was the ones he put in a few handlers until jorg got him. I will put no faith in a dog I need to TRAIN TO PROTECT ME as it will be the first to fail you when you need him the most.

Vom will your dog bite on command on a passive person with out equipment and with out any form of aggitation in a neutral environment? This is one example, I could come up with several more.

I know this type of dog is out there and I also know where to find them. The point is they are not common, hence the hefty price tag to buy one.

Fell of her. To answer your question . No. She is only 13mo old. But on the flip side.. my lga fels von der schopf would. a friend imported a dog with a bh who would do it with the command of passuf. Lol. Whywould he do that ? Because it was just his nature. He was a little handler aggresive. Name was king vom wecklinger weg. There was no way he was going to make dual purpose. All he wanted to do was fight. I bought him just for having fun with him. He was a nasty one. I could choose whether or not you could greet me just by the way I held his leash.

eisenhaus, Ill think ill pas on putting videos in this discussion  from my dogs, the topic is not about mine or your dogs
@ red sable, no Im not serious in above statement and I will leave it at that, otherwise this topic is going where it shouldnot be

To me the whole ppd executive level blah blah blah is blown way out of proportion and not very realistic at all. And I can tell you I would feel very safe with either of the dogs I mentioned above. Their willingness to engage and promote a fight is why. Not because I expect him to save me in wal-mart parking lot while my dog parked at radio shack and then call him off and we both walk away happy. Besides with all the commotion and cars their can he even hear me or see me ? Everyone got off topic & or didn't understand the question the op is asking and you are doing the same. Do you really need a dog to sit and let kids play with it and then command him to bite a passive person? Like one person said in another post. For some depts the days of bringing "KING THE SHEPHERD " to see tommy and his friends at school are over & their is not a lot of training needed for this kind of dog to protect his handler in a reality. Of all the ppd people here I have not seen or heard of one instance of a their dog saving them from a mugging in the parking lot of a stoe