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by matt 90 on 11 July 2010 - 12:07
Aileen wrote
REEF WAS SURVEYED TO PROVE A FLAWED SYSTEM WAS IN PLACE AND WHAT DID THE BREED COUNCIL DO ABOUT IT -
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THEM WHICH RECEIVED THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER - AND WHAT DID THEY DO?
THE SURVEYORS SAT DOWN AND DECIDED TO LEAVE THINGS UNCHANGED!!!!
WE ARE NOW MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING TO HAVE A SYSTEM WHEREBY THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO THERE'S YOUR ANSWER TO THE WONDERFUL UK SYSTEM.
AT LEAST WE HAVE THE GUTS TO TRY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, BUT NO IT DID NOT CHANGE.
At least you tried
If the surveyors are leaving things unchanged how will this not happen again, as already stated a female gets a A Stamp with a BVA score which should not entitle her to a breed survey class 1, nor give her entry into the new progressive shows.
REEF WAS SURVEYED TO PROVE A FLAWED SYSTEM WAS IN PLACE AND WHAT DID THE BREED COUNCIL DO ABOUT IT -
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THEM WHICH RECEIVED THE APPROPRIATE ANSWER - AND WHAT DID THEY DO?
THE SURVEYORS SAT DOWN AND DECIDED TO LEAVE THINGS UNCHANGED!!!!
WE ARE NOW MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING TO HAVE A SYSTEM WHEREBY THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO THERE'S YOUR ANSWER TO THE WONDERFUL UK SYSTEM.
AT LEAST WE HAVE THE GUTS TO TRY TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM, BUT NO IT DID NOT CHANGE.
At least you tried
If the surveyors are leaving things unchanged how will this not happen again, as already stated a female gets a A Stamp with a BVA score which should not entitle her to a breed survey class 1, nor give her entry into the new progressive shows.
by JackieJ on 11 July 2010 - 12:07
Napoleon cheap words from you indeed, we have come to expect nothing less and nothing more from you.
Your cheap words in the past have done so much damage to many a good dog.
Your cheap words in the past have done so much damage to many a good person.
We were somewhat surprised at the gift from the League at the time, as always a total disregard for membership funds but not so unexpected when they do as you say and not as the members ask, but on the other hand, we did look at it and hoped it would keep you in your normal state of DUNKNESS of which we all know you best for.
JJ
Your cheap words in the past have done so much damage to many a good dog.
Your cheap words in the past have done so much damage to many a good person.
We were somewhat surprised at the gift from the League at the time, as always a total disregard for membership funds but not so unexpected when they do as you say and not as the members ask, but on the other hand, we did look at it and hoped it would keep you in your normal state of DUNKNESS of which we all know you best for.
JJ
by Videx on 11 July 2010 - 13:07
JJ - what is your GSD website?
too afraid to answer - an anonymous moron
Ha Ha Ha - an idiot - a moron, a coward - A PROVEN LIAR
who in their right mind would ever have anything to do with you?
Come on JJ - what is your GSD KC affix? -
YOU ARE CLEARLY SHIT SCARED
I DO ENJOY BEING CERTAIN OF THAT FACT.
too afraid to answer - an anonymous moron
Ha Ha Ha - an idiot - a moron, a coward - A PROVEN LIAR
who in their right mind would ever have anything to do with you?
Come on JJ - what is your GSD KC affix? -
YOU ARE CLEARLY SHIT SCARED
I DO ENJOY BEING CERTAIN OF THAT FACT.
by Aileen Ann Mathieson on 11 July 2010 - 15:07
T. RUTHURTS
GO TO SPEC SAVERS - 2 FOR ONE
THE BREED COUNCIL WROTE TO US ABOUT THE SURVEY OF OUR DOG - NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND AND WE ANSWERED THEIR LETTER.
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THEN ASK SHEILA RANKIN - SHE IS AT LIBERTY TO OBLIGE IF SHE FEELS LIKE IT, BUT I DOUBT SHE WILL.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WHO HAS A BEE IN THEIR BONNET ABOUT MR. PAYNE AND ANYTHING HE HAS BRED AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN ANY OF HIS DOGS.
PERSONALLY I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR OPINION - HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS DOG HAVE TO BE DRAGGED UP FROM HIS GRAVE - YOU HEARTLESS COWARD.
GET A LIFE AND PUT ALL YOUR HOT AIR AND WIND INTO PROGRESSING THE BREED INSTEAD OF RAKE THE DIRT.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO US - JIM ME OR DALE FEEL FREE TO PHONE US OR E-MAIL US - BUT ONE THING YOU WILL NOT BE TOLD IS LIES.
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THIS IS MY LAST WORDS ON THIS ISSUE OF OUR DOG.
AILEEN
GO TO SPEC SAVERS - 2 FOR ONE
THE BREED COUNCIL WROTE TO US ABOUT THE SURVEY OF OUR DOG - NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND AND WE ANSWERED THEIR LETTER.
IF YOU WISH TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THEN ASK SHEILA RANKIN - SHE IS AT LIBERTY TO OBLIGE IF SHE FEELS LIKE IT, BUT I DOUBT SHE WILL.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WHO HAS A BEE IN THEIR BONNET ABOUT MR. PAYNE AND ANYTHING HE HAS BRED AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN ANY OF HIS DOGS.
PERSONALLY I COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR OPINION - HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS DOG HAVE TO BE DRAGGED UP FROM HIS GRAVE - YOU HEARTLESS COWARD.
GET A LIFE AND PUT ALL YOUR HOT AIR AND WIND INTO PROGRESSING THE BREED INSTEAD OF RAKE THE DIRT.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO US - JIM ME OR DALE FEEL FREE TO PHONE US OR E-MAIL US - BUT ONE THING YOU WILL NOT BE TOLD IS LIES.
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THIS IS MY LAST WORDS ON THIS ISSUE OF OUR DOG.
AILEEN
by Blanik on 11 July 2010 - 17:07
THis place never ceases to amaze me. God, why can't people be nice? Linda I agree with you 100%. Not all of us can/want to re-home our much loved dog because he/she has a high hip score. We love our dogs and we want to continue to enjoy our hobby of showing our dogs but we have the decency/knowledge not to breed from them. IMHO Dog showing should be an enjoyable hobby with a much loved companion.
by devon on 11 July 2010 - 17:07
OMG like superman my alter ego has been outted LMAO
It seems my questions to the almighty have been misconstrued. I was asking them how or why ANY dog with a high hip score or no breed survey can gain the title of CH?
Linda i havent commented on this database for at least 4 yrs i just look in and see whats going on and i have to say its the same old shit as usual.I have to ask you why do you see fit to personally attack me ?? Why bring up something from years ago?
I was talking to mo about something and the emails came up and SHE asked to see them so i forwarded them, SHE then asked if she could put them on here but leaving my name out of it but I knew you would know it was me which was confirmed by YOUR phone call to Mo. I wont say what was said between you as i dont really know BUT i do know you agreed with my comments and YOU have written to the KC on a similar vane.
As for me not having the balls to see you personally well thats another matter as i live along way from you as you know but should i ever cross your path at a show i will gladly come up to you and say hello.
I dont show anymore but i still go to some shows, i am so glad to be out of all this shit but i will still ask the allmighty relevant questions when i see fit.
Aileen i am most sorry your lovely dog REEF got dragged into this by the morons it is such a shame they dont know better.
David maybe some people hate you that much due to your way of commenting on what you see,i dont know if you have bred from a high hip score bitch or a poodle i dont care it has nothing to do with this thread.
This forum needs more regulation to STOP personal attacks and all the back stabbing that is going on.
The whole of the GSD showing world needs a clean sweep to rid it of the bad blood and idiots ( before linda says it i am in the idiot class but i am out of it )
Matthew Lang (devon)
It seems my questions to the almighty have been misconstrued. I was asking them how or why ANY dog with a high hip score or no breed survey can gain the title of CH?
Linda i havent commented on this database for at least 4 yrs i just look in and see whats going on and i have to say its the same old shit as usual.I have to ask you why do you see fit to personally attack me ?? Why bring up something from years ago?
I was talking to mo about something and the emails came up and SHE asked to see them so i forwarded them, SHE then asked if she could put them on here but leaving my name out of it but I knew you would know it was me which was confirmed by YOUR phone call to Mo. I wont say what was said between you as i dont really know BUT i do know you agreed with my comments and YOU have written to the KC on a similar vane.
As for me not having the balls to see you personally well thats another matter as i live along way from you as you know but should i ever cross your path at a show i will gladly come up to you and say hello.
I dont show anymore but i still go to some shows, i am so glad to be out of all this shit but i will still ask the allmighty relevant questions when i see fit.
Aileen i am most sorry your lovely dog REEF got dragged into this by the morons it is such a shame they dont know better.
David maybe some people hate you that much due to your way of commenting on what you see,i dont know if you have bred from a high hip score bitch or a poodle i dont care it has nothing to do with this thread.
This forum needs more regulation to STOP personal attacks and all the back stabbing that is going on.
The whole of the GSD showing world needs a clean sweep to rid it of the bad blood and idiots ( before linda says it i am in the idiot class but i am out of it )
Matthew Lang (devon)
by Abby Normal on 11 July 2010 - 18:07
I too thought Videx' user comments about Randy somewhat rich, bearing in mind that he actually DID stud to a dog with almost the same score with this bitch, whereas you never did. So, that is the simple difference, you were unlucky enough to get a bad hip score, but, you observed the breeding requirements and did all the right things, and tried to get the flawed system changed. He didn't - he must have wanted to add a bit more to his pile of gold - or should that be pieces of silver?
In respect of Videx, the facts are the facts. Last time I looked Malcolm Willis did not control the rules and regulations in respect of breeding AND NEITHER DO YOU just in case you didn't realise that. (BTW I would be interested to know what the bitch's achievements in showing have been, even though that is irrelevant, other than being the poor excuse for you doing it). We have accepted scores for breeding, and Germany have Recommended for breeding and Suitable for breeding (oh, but we have 'pillars of the breed' importing dogs classed as not suitable for breeding in Germany, and then breeding them in the UK don't we). This dog is outside of those parameters in both countries, and so it shouldn't have been done - end of. In fact, if the KC DID have mandatory health testing, the resulting litter would not have qualified for registration. Lucky for you guys they don't hey?
Has the person who owns the bitch got anything to add?
In respect of Videx, the facts are the facts. Last time I looked Malcolm Willis did not control the rules and regulations in respect of breeding AND NEITHER DO YOU just in case you didn't realise that. (BTW I would be interested to know what the bitch's achievements in showing have been, even though that is irrelevant, other than being the poor excuse for you doing it). We have accepted scores for breeding, and Germany have Recommended for breeding and Suitable for breeding (oh, but we have 'pillars of the breed' importing dogs classed as not suitable for breeding in Germany, and then breeding them in the UK don't we). This dog is outside of those parameters in both countries, and so it shouldn't have been done - end of. In fact, if the KC DID have mandatory health testing, the resulting litter would not have qualified for registration. Lucky for you guys they don't hey?
Has the person who owns the bitch got anything to add?
by Linda B on 11 July 2010 - 20:07
Matthew do not insult my intelligence you did not ask why ANY dog with a high hip score or no breed survey can gain the title of CH? You asked Why a GSD with a Hip Score of 50 was allowed to gain the title of Champion. (don't know of any other Champion with a hip score of 50 although do know of several with high hip scores)you then went on to write the dog I'm referring to is Korzwin Randy. Randy is not any dog he is our dog. For your information there are many dogs that have gained the title of champion but can not get a Breed Survey class 1 for one reason or another. I have at no time made a personal attack on you only stated fact in saying Mo's grandson Sam has more knowledge about GSDs than you I was actually being kind. I think you only need look in the mirror to see who is making personal attacks.
You claim you have not commented on the database for the last 4 years wondering why you didn't comment on this thread until after Mo had printer your emails where you just using Mo to do your dirty work?
I knew nothing about this thread until I received a phone call from Mo.As you said ''I won't say what was said between you as I don't really know''. To say that I agree with your comments is untrue. I do believe that the KC should make it compulsory for all breeding stock to have passed the relevant health test before any progeny can be registered. As for what I wrote to the KC it was not on a similar vane it was simply a question about us showing Randy.
Matthew I did not say you where an Idiot but I did not have too your statement regarding David Payne and the mating of a bitch with high hip score 48 speaks volumes.
Perhaps I will bump into at Devon Champ show. Look forward to it.
Linda B
Proud owner/breeder Champion Korzwin Randy
You claim you have not commented on the database for the last 4 years wondering why you didn't comment on this thread until after Mo had printer your emails where you just using Mo to do your dirty work?
I knew nothing about this thread until I received a phone call from Mo.As you said ''I won't say what was said between you as I don't really know''. To say that I agree with your comments is untrue. I do believe that the KC should make it compulsory for all breeding stock to have passed the relevant health test before any progeny can be registered. As for what I wrote to the KC it was not on a similar vane it was simply a question about us showing Randy.
Matthew I did not say you where an Idiot but I did not have too your statement regarding David Payne and the mating of a bitch with high hip score 48 speaks volumes.
Perhaps I will bump into at Devon Champ show. Look forward to it.
Linda B
Proud owner/breeder Champion Korzwin Randy
by Penny on 11 July 2010 - 20:07
Matthew, knowing the history - I think you were having a personal "pop" at Champion Korzwin Randy. You did contact me regarding these emails, but you write above.....
I was talking to mo about something and the emails came up and SHE asked to see them
you werent talking to me about anything at all, you emailed me regarding this issue. I contacted and talked with Linda at the very begining of the thread, as she is a good friend, and I was anxious for her to know that I wasnt being personal against her - at that point, until I spoke to her I realised she knew exactly who would write in that way, I had no idea that you and she had "history". You didnt tell me that until after the event.
I know for sure that Champion Korzwin Randy has not been used, I actually asked for his stud card before I knew of his hip score, I regard him as a very worthy dog, and his hip score is a disaster with the quality of the dog himself, and Linda explained to me at that time, and stated that he will never be used. This is a breeder to look up to.
I do agree with Linda. Why would you let me know about your emails with the KC - if you didnt want them put on the pdb?? . We havent conversed before, and dont know each other well, so I can only think and feel sure you knew that I would want these diabolical replies from the KC brought into the open.
Devon - Matthew, you have contacted me by phone this evening, and It wasnt convenient for me to talk. Can I say that it wont be convenient for me to talk in the future either. I like clarity and transparency, not hidden agenda`s to score old goals. It seems you didnt score any, just got your very good and valid points to the Kennel Club sullied with the fact that you had a hidden agenda too. Mo.
I was talking to mo about something and the emails came up and SHE asked to see them
you werent talking to me about anything at all, you emailed me regarding this issue. I contacted and talked with Linda at the very begining of the thread, as she is a good friend, and I was anxious for her to know that I wasnt being personal against her - at that point, until I spoke to her I realised she knew exactly who would write in that way, I had no idea that you and she had "history". You didnt tell me that until after the event.
I know for sure that Champion Korzwin Randy has not been used, I actually asked for his stud card before I knew of his hip score, I regard him as a very worthy dog, and his hip score is a disaster with the quality of the dog himself, and Linda explained to me at that time, and stated that he will never be used. This is a breeder to look up to.
I do agree with Linda. Why would you let me know about your emails with the KC - if you didnt want them put on the pdb?? . We havent conversed before, and dont know each other well, so I can only think and feel sure you knew that I would want these diabolical replies from the KC brought into the open.
Devon - Matthew, you have contacted me by phone this evening, and It wasnt convenient for me to talk. Can I say that it wont be convenient for me to talk in the future either. I like clarity and transparency, not hidden agenda`s to score old goals. It seems you didnt score any, just got your very good and valid points to the Kennel Club sullied with the fact that you had a hidden agenda too. Mo.
by devon on 11 July 2010 - 21:07
Mo
May i just say that there was NEVER any agenda in using Randy as an example he is the only dog i know that has made CH with such a high hip score.There has been a disagreement between Linda and myself before but they were personal and to my knowledge or understanding that was dead and buried long before as she helped me when i took over the position of secretary from her.
Mo we were conversing about comments you made on here when i sent you the emails as i thought you might like to see them as they were laughable, it was you that asked if you could put them on here and i agreed but to keep my name out of them but you failed to do so,when asked you said something along the lines of oh shit then told me you spoken to Linda and she knew i had written it and was fine as she had written to KC along the same lines.It was NOT my idea to post the KC emails that was yours.
I tried to contact you as i feel there was no need for Linda to attack me personally for this and bring up something so old.I can only think she holds a grudge,i wanted to speak to you personally about this but im having to use this forum to reply.
May i say for the record that Linda and Keith have bred some excellent dogs Randy included and i bow to their knowledge but i am allowed to ask questions without getting attacked surely??
Mo i hope to see you at Devon (lol) and that you allow me an audience to talk to your good self
Devon
May i just say that there was NEVER any agenda in using Randy as an example he is the only dog i know that has made CH with such a high hip score.There has been a disagreement between Linda and myself before but they were personal and to my knowledge or understanding that was dead and buried long before as she helped me when i took over the position of secretary from her.
Mo we were conversing about comments you made on here when i sent you the emails as i thought you might like to see them as they were laughable, it was you that asked if you could put them on here and i agreed but to keep my name out of them but you failed to do so,when asked you said something along the lines of oh shit then told me you spoken to Linda and she knew i had written it and was fine as she had written to KC along the same lines.It was NOT my idea to post the KC emails that was yours.
I tried to contact you as i feel there was no need for Linda to attack me personally for this and bring up something so old.I can only think she holds a grudge,i wanted to speak to you personally about this but im having to use this forum to reply.
May i say for the record that Linda and Keith have bred some excellent dogs Randy included and i bow to their knowledge but i am allowed to ask questions without getting attacked surely??
Mo i hope to see you at Devon (lol) and that you allow me an audience to talk to your good self
Devon
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