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by steve1 on 27 August 2011 - 04:08
Mystere
Maybe it is a Male intuition. However i am finished with this thread and a big Hooray from you Ladies i would expect.
BHall
If you get your Dog back and i hope you do, then i hope it will stay with you and not be passed on again after what it has been through nothing deserves that, I know from a completely different experience with one of my own dogs, they feel the changes made in there lives and although they cannot speak, if you look deep enough you can see and sense the bewilderment in the animal by it's slight change of the way it acts and moves etc, However in the case of my dog it is temporary only it will soon pass, but they do feel and in the case of your dog it should have a secure home for the rest of its life not banded about
Steve1
Maybe it is a Male intuition. However i am finished with this thread and a big Hooray from you Ladies i would expect.
BHall
If you get your Dog back and i hope you do, then i hope it will stay with you and not be passed on again after what it has been through nothing deserves that, I know from a completely different experience with one of my own dogs, they feel the changes made in there lives and although they cannot speak, if you look deep enough you can see and sense the bewilderment in the animal by it's slight change of the way it acts and moves etc, However in the case of my dog it is temporary only it will soon pass, but they do feel and in the case of your dog it should have a secure home for the rest of its life not banded about
Steve1
by michael49 on 27 August 2011 - 12:08
Steve are you speaking of Izzy? I saw where you said she was no longer with you, did she pass or did you place her in another home, I'm not trying to start anything, just wondered why she was no longer with you. I asked some time back, but I guess you didn't see it.
As far as Vicki fooling everybody, I think it was quite clear that something wasn't right back in Dec 2010 when the the pictures of the black LC's were posted. Vicki didn't respond to that post untill March or April, the explanation was I just saw this thread,is there anyone here that believes that story.It's clear to me that there are people on this board that knew Vicki personally,had been to her kennel and knew what kind of operation she ran, yet still chose to have dealings with her in hope of making a few dollars. Go back and read or reread those threads and you should be able to see some red flags, I know I did. I'm not pointing fingers, but some people were fooled by Vicki, some were not and some were willing to go along for the money. I remember one thread where there was a bitch with a litter of puppies in a shelter, Vicki was quick to respond with I'll take the puppies if somebody can get them to me, this was during her early rescue stages. I'm sure the thread can be found if any one wants to take the time. The point is there were several red flags along the way.
For the benefit of the new people on this board and a few trusting souls that believe that just because someone is a member of this forum, they are genuine and can be trusted I'll say this. There are wolves in sheeps clothing here and you'll do well to keep that in mind if you deal with someone here.
As far as Vicki fooling everybody, I think it was quite clear that something wasn't right back in Dec 2010 when the the pictures of the black LC's were posted. Vicki didn't respond to that post untill March or April, the explanation was I just saw this thread,is there anyone here that believes that story.It's clear to me that there are people on this board that knew Vicki personally,had been to her kennel and knew what kind of operation she ran, yet still chose to have dealings with her in hope of making a few dollars. Go back and read or reread those threads and you should be able to see some red flags, I know I did. I'm not pointing fingers, but some people were fooled by Vicki, some were not and some were willing to go along for the money. I remember one thread where there was a bitch with a litter of puppies in a shelter, Vicki was quick to respond with I'll take the puppies if somebody can get them to me, this was during her early rescue stages. I'm sure the thread can be found if any one wants to take the time. The point is there were several red flags along the way.
For the benefit of the new people on this board and a few trusting souls that believe that just because someone is a member of this forum, they are genuine and can be trusted I'll say this. There are wolves in sheeps clothing here and you'll do well to keep that in mind if you deal with someone here.
by Donnerstorm on 27 August 2011 - 12:08
Oh Peta there's a good idea let's ask some whack jobs to help out!!
by steve1 on 27 August 2011 - 13:08
michael 49
Yes it was over a year ago when the signs were all there i do not keep dates by it was a fair time ago and i fell foul of the lady about then. however to answer your question, No it was not about Izzy, She was the only Dog in over 60 years that i ever got any money for after parting with a Dog and there was only one other time in all those years and he was given free to a good home Not a German Shepherd Dog, He was a Border Collie,
In Izzys case i said the reason for letting her go and it was for the Dogs happiness and that of the other Female Gina who izzy Hated and i mean Hate. So i let her go back to the breeder for the Puppy price i lost a lot of money on her potential and what she had done up to then had i looked at it in that way but money did not come into it.
The Dogs peace of mind was more important to me, I put that puppy price to one side then added to it when i bought Puppy Hektor.
For me i do not keep dogs to make money out of they are friends and companions first and they are used to give me pleasure in training them for the ScH sport which they seem to enjoy as much as i do, i did notice once one of those Dogs in question which was settled there was a Sperm Count, thats okay but why bother about a damn sperm count, The Dog is settled and away from that awful woman but that means to me the Dog is going to be bred from 'Money again' is that the prime motive of most to breed and make a few Dollars from the Dog, if not why was it mentioned,
All had to be said was the Dog was home and safe, But NO. it had to be checked to see if it could father Puppies to me that is very sad indeed, That is why i have no respect for these people and they can shout out as much as they want in reply it is down in back and white what the true reasons are.
The Dog i am referring to is my other Female Gina. I have taken over her training from my Brother now 17 months old and she has been handled by him for 15 months of her life from the time he bought her home, Now the Dog cannot understand why he is not the same meaning he does not feed her or take her out or train her of course it is less than one week since i took over her but you can see the bewilderment and you can sense the Dog is not sure of what is what and of course they cannot speak, It is worse for her because she sees him every day, it is not as if she was sent away to a new home, and the Dog cannot make out what is going on. However she also knew me and that will make the change easier for her, That does not mean that she will accept me the same, but signs to date show that she is coming round okay but they are not robots they are living things with feelings, So steady away but being firm at the same time and all will turn out okay i am sure of that
Steve1
Yes it was over a year ago when the signs were all there i do not keep dates by it was a fair time ago and i fell foul of the lady about then. however to answer your question, No it was not about Izzy, She was the only Dog in over 60 years that i ever got any money for after parting with a Dog and there was only one other time in all those years and he was given free to a good home Not a German Shepherd Dog, He was a Border Collie,
In Izzys case i said the reason for letting her go and it was for the Dogs happiness and that of the other Female Gina who izzy Hated and i mean Hate. So i let her go back to the breeder for the Puppy price i lost a lot of money on her potential and what she had done up to then had i looked at it in that way but money did not come into it.
The Dogs peace of mind was more important to me, I put that puppy price to one side then added to it when i bought Puppy Hektor.
For me i do not keep dogs to make money out of they are friends and companions first and they are used to give me pleasure in training them for the ScH sport which they seem to enjoy as much as i do, i did notice once one of those Dogs in question which was settled there was a Sperm Count, thats okay but why bother about a damn sperm count, The Dog is settled and away from that awful woman but that means to me the Dog is going to be bred from 'Money again' is that the prime motive of most to breed and make a few Dollars from the Dog, if not why was it mentioned,
All had to be said was the Dog was home and safe, But NO. it had to be checked to see if it could father Puppies to me that is very sad indeed, That is why i have no respect for these people and they can shout out as much as they want in reply it is down in back and white what the true reasons are.
The Dog i am referring to is my other Female Gina. I have taken over her training from my Brother now 17 months old and she has been handled by him for 15 months of her life from the time he bought her home, Now the Dog cannot understand why he is not the same meaning he does not feed her or take her out or train her of course it is less than one week since i took over her but you can see the bewilderment and you can sense the Dog is not sure of what is what and of course they cannot speak, It is worse for her because she sees him every day, it is not as if she was sent away to a new home, and the Dog cannot make out what is going on. However she also knew me and that will make the change easier for her, That does not mean that she will accept me the same, but signs to date show that she is coming round okay but they are not robots they are living things with feelings, So steady away but being firm at the same time and all will turn out okay i am sure of that
Steve1
by michael49 on 27 August 2011 - 14:08
Steve1 I"m sorry it turned out that way for you and Izzy, I know you had feelings for the dog. Thanks for explaining the situation,good luck with Hektor.On another note, I think Athos was sold as a stud dog and when Vicki stated he was sterile the results of the sperm test were stated to discredit Vicki's excuse for not honoring the agreement with Veronica at least that's what I gathered from it.
by GSDSRULE on 29 August 2011 - 01:08
by VomMarischal on 29 August 2011 - 02:08
YR is trying to say this:
1. Vickie bought the dog for his sperm, apparently, as that is the only health issue she wanted guaranteed.
2. Vickie tried to claim that the dog had no sperm and tried to get her money back.
3. One year later, Scott had the dog tested and the vet said he had the sperm of a 3 or 4 year old dog. This means that Vickie lied (WHAT? REALLY?). Or...maybe she tried to rat poison him and rat poison causes sperm? hmmmmmm
4. Actually, Vickie was trying to get back CINDY'S money, as Cindy had paid for him in the first place and didn't know that Vickie claimed the dog had no sperm. LOL.
OK that's the last time I try to explain this horseshit to you. Vickie had to come up with SOME excuse to get Cindy's money, so she picked sperm. It just turned out to be easy to prove untrue. Nanner nanner.
1. Vickie bought the dog for his sperm, apparently, as that is the only health issue she wanted guaranteed.
2. Vickie tried to claim that the dog had no sperm and tried to get her money back.
3. One year later, Scott had the dog tested and the vet said he had the sperm of a 3 or 4 year old dog. This means that Vickie lied (WHAT? REALLY?). Or...maybe she tried to rat poison him and rat poison causes sperm? hmmmmmm
4. Actually, Vickie was trying to get back CINDY'S money, as Cindy had paid for him in the first place and didn't know that Vickie claimed the dog had no sperm. LOL.
OK that's the last time I try to explain this horseshit to you. Vickie had to come up with SOME excuse to get Cindy's money, so she picked sperm. It just turned out to be easy to prove untrue. Nanner nanner.
by judron55 on 29 August 2011 - 10:08
whew....just got back from biking with the dog and thought I'd visit this psycho ward...PETA...man, I'm out of here.
by steve1 on 29 August 2011 - 11:08
Overall it seems 4 dogs were the fall Guys in this scenario. and it takes Sherlock Holmes to sort it out Now it is Sam is who is still wanted back by his former owner or Owner if she has his papers which i guess she may have
Steve1
Steve1
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 August 2011 - 20:08
Yes , and because my computer keeps sticking on here, and my punctuation was poor, i ask for the post I had put up to be deleted so I could rewrite it.
Veronica holds the papers on ATHOS so he cannot be made money on.
Vickie tried for months to claim first ," that Athos came to her unhealthy with a heart disease."
Second , she stopped paying Veronica with another claim..
THAT CLAIM WAS:
ATHOS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE WITH SPERM AND GUARANTEED TO HAVE SPERM WHEN SOLD TO HER. ( Vickie IS THE her>>). VICKIE POSTED it on here and many times told the same story about no sperm and that Athos had heart problems.
Veronica posted the fact that SPERM test was done the minute Athos was found , and Scott took
Athos to the vet, for one purpose.
That purpose was to PROVE that VICKIE had not told the truth. Athos has sperm.
ATHOS has passed a VET check the day he got off the plane taken to a vet in Oklahoma.
NO PROOF has ever been brought forward to Athos being void of sperm nor has holes in his heart that shouldn't be there.
ALL these vet checks, Steve 1, are to prove that Veronica did not sell an UNHEALTHY GERMAN SHEPHERD TO VICKIE .
Veronica still holds the papers to ATHOS in her vault, and so no money is gonna be made on ATHOS>
YR
Veronica holds the papers on ATHOS so he cannot be made money on.
Vickie tried for months to claim first ," that Athos came to her unhealthy with a heart disease."
Second , she stopped paying Veronica with another claim..
THAT CLAIM WAS:
ATHOS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE WITH SPERM AND GUARANTEED TO HAVE SPERM WHEN SOLD TO HER. ( Vickie IS THE her>>). VICKIE POSTED it on here and many times told the same story about no sperm and that Athos had heart problems.
Veronica posted the fact that SPERM test was done the minute Athos was found , and Scott took
Athos to the vet, for one purpose.
That purpose was to PROVE that VICKIE had not told the truth. Athos has sperm.
ATHOS has passed a VET check the day he got off the plane taken to a vet in Oklahoma.
NO PROOF has ever been brought forward to Athos being void of sperm nor has holes in his heart that shouldn't be there.
ALL these vet checks, Steve 1, are to prove that Veronica did not sell an UNHEALTHY GERMAN SHEPHERD TO VICKIE .
Veronica still holds the papers to ATHOS in her vault, and so no money is gonna be made on ATHOS>
YR
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