Contact with the UK KC - Page 4

The BVA states you should breed for hips which are well below the breed Mean Score which in our breed is 19. The KC say that a score of 1 on Elbows is what you should look for when chosing a breeding partner. Should one follow theses guidelines we would be eliminating some very good dogs especially with regards to "WELL BELOW THE SCORE of 19" You have to set  out some guidelines when trying improve overall scores . This has  achieved  us
moving from the highest score of 35 for hips for Surveys when we first started to the current score of 20. The same applies to Elbows just the same as the SV who are also trying to improve , they use 3 grades a-b-c no different to us who are going to use 0-1-2. To gain a Korung with the SV they introduced elbows  during 2004 as a requirement and this remains some 6 years later. We are introducing elbows at the start of 2011.
No doubt in line with the way we reduced the hip requirements from 35 to 20 when we were ready,and the time was right,the same will happen to the elbows . We must encourage every one to take part in surveys and the way to do this is to have a     sensible starting point with any new requirements we introduce.
John Ward

 I agree with all you have said John  rome was not built in a day      to do things properly takes time and to get it right takes time
and i am sure every one agree's that we want it done properly and right.
jim h

mikadene.
                    Reading you post you say quote " My view for what its worth ", but surely you are not entitled to a few if you don't hip score and elbow score your dogs, or most importantly take part in Breed Surveys ? How can you advise others if you don't take part yourself ?

Arbeiter wrote: How can you advise others if you don't partake yourself?

Well............. Malcolm Willis doesnt own a GSD but it doesnt stop him having an opinion on the breed!
*Everyone* is entitled to a view, doesnt mean you have to agree with it!

I have followed this thread and also the other thread about a dog with a hip score of 70 being used at stud. the dog being referred to on this thread is a show Champion with a hip score of 50. Having done some research I can not find any progeny sired by this dog and from what has been said the dogs owners have never allowed this dog to be used at stud. If this dog is never used at stud it has no way of affecting the health of this breed unlike the dog with a 70 hip score.

VIDEX you keep going on about the KC not doing anything about health issues. perhaps you can explain why YOU allowed your stud dog Videx Rudi to be used at stud on a bitch with a hip Score of 28/20 total 48. in my opinion that makes you no better than the person using the dog with a 70 hip score. is it a case of do as I say not as I do.

T.Ruthurts

Well that's took the wind out of eveyones sails

If a friend, who I consider an excellent breeder approaches me and requests to use one of my GSD on their female who has a high hip score, I give it very careful consideration. Particularly examining the GSD in her pedigree and their hip scores. I then consider the dog of mine they wish to use and its hip score, its siblings hip score and the scores throughout its pedigree. In the case of Videx Rudi, he and his siblings have outstanding hip scores. I understand  that six x-rayed in the Videx 'R' litter with none having a total higher than 10. The female in question is outstanding and I could fully understand the desire to have a litter from her to a GSD that would offer her an excellent chance to produce excellent offspring with excellent hips.

David Payne - Videx GSD - NOT ANONYMOUS

PROOF THAT 'JJ'  is a LIAR
 
ABSOLUTE IDENTIFICATION IS REQUIRED FOR SV HIPS & ELBOW GRADES.

VIDEX LUIGI
09-01-2007
CRUFTS WINNER 2008

CH. ICE VOM STEINHAUERBERG  X  VIDEX PATZI
Hips 'a f/normal & ED 'a' normal ZW=92
Haemophilia clear - JRD DNA Tested CLEAR



NEVER FORGET
'JJ' IS A LIAR
&
A SNIVELLING COWARD
 

Well Mr Videx what you are saying is in order tor it to be acceptable to breed from dogs with high hips one only has to be a friend of yours. Or did it help that the bitch with the 48 hip score was sired by Videx Varus and Her mother was Videx Anja who's hip score is 7/16 total 23 only just slightly higher than the breed average/

T.Ruthurts