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by Slamdunc on 07 March 2010 - 02:03
Jim
by Christopher Smith on 07 March 2010 - 02:03
Although, from what I understand, cause doesn't matter for the SV breed test.
Why does the breed matter?
by Slamdunc on 07 March 2010 - 03:03
Why does the breed matter?
I was just wondering, if it was a beagle or other floppy eared dog it wouldn't matter at all. Wasn't sure if it was a trick question. 
I believe in a breed survey, you can have notations for certain things if they can be verified. So the reason would matter. If a GSD had perfect ears, lets say and was shown, titled and had a breed survey and the obvious fault was not present, then it can be noted by a Koermeister (sp?) for the resurvey. If I remember correctly; I have seen this done where dogs had lost teeth. I would say, and it's been a long time since I have shown dogs in conformation that an injury would allow it to still be bred, but no longer shown. I am speaking of a dog that has been judged in conformation and obviously had both ears up. I think the last SS that I handled conformation dogs in was 2000, so I am rusty.
IMHO, if it is due to genetics, irregardless of all the other attributes I wouldn't breed the dog. Now, is the dog so perfect, so great that it is better than every other GSD in every other way? If that was the situation then a case could be made for breeding the dog and seeing if it passed that one undesirable trait along.
I do not breed dogs, so others with experience would have better answers than me. I'm sure they will be those that would breed the dog.
JMO,
Jim
by Prager on 07 March 2010 - 04:03
Soft ears are relatively easy to breed out. If it would be me and the dog was really special one of the kind dog I would breed to his sibling with same qualitites and ears up. However I am around dogs for 40+ years and I have never been in this situation. This is strictly hypothetical since there is always another great stud with ears up.
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by Slamdunc on 07 March 2010 - 04:03
This is strictly hypothetical since there is always another great stud with ears up.
You are very correct.
Jim
by Christopher Smith on 07 March 2010 - 08:03
Jim the SV does allow notations for teeth but I have never seen one for ears.
by missbeeb on 07 March 2010 - 08:03
If he has soft ears, he's not perfect.
by missbeeb on 07 March 2010 - 08:03
by Silbersee on 07 March 2010 - 13:03
Assume a dog were perfect in all ways (mind and body), but had a floppy ear. Should this dog be allowed to breed?
I remember your question, Christopher! I think if I am not mistaken you asked that a while ago on our board, right? Did I comment there?
If not, here is my opinion: Nobody ethical would consider this dog breedable due to that obvious flaw which is a severe fault described in the standard. There are so many GSDs which all come from the same lines and we all know that the nicest dogs in the show ring are not necessarily the best producers (the same goes for workinglines - it is not the Bundessieger who is the most prolific). So, even if this dog does not have immediate siblings and both parents are dead, there will always be halfsiblings, autn, uncles etc.
I also had to laugh at MsBeeb's post and she is so right: Surely, somebody will come and "fix" that ear, so it stands. And then, all discussion is for naught anyway!!
BTW, I do have to disagree that soft ears are easily fixable. A short term fix, yes! But it will always creep back up in certain lines, and I personally hate it! I have sold a beautiful female at one year because two of her siblings had ear problems. One sister never put her ears up and a brother had friendly ears. I hate soft ears, never want to tape ears again and do not want to perpatuate that problem, period!! This was in showlines, not workinglines.
P.S. Sue, thanks for the compliments.
by Gustav on 07 March 2010 - 13:03
As a breeder, the more important question for me would be WHERE did the ear come from in terms of the dog's background. Mother or father...one of parents of mother or father....if you know your lines you should be able to know...is it because of oversized ears or thin cartilage or some anxiety issues also. Lotsa of variations to look at and figure out so I can go away from the paths that led to this WITHOUT throwing the baby out with the bathwater. JMO
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