BIG heads, super dark sables, super hips. That is the problem

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by Prager on 23 February 2010 - 02:02

My old dog Fox.
He had old style marking not often to be seen any more.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by GSDtravels on 23 February 2010 - 02:02

Hans, the dog you posted from the PDB. I saw him the other day on here and was wondering if that photo was fixed. I've never seen a dog that red and thought the color was maybe tweaked?

by Sunsilver on 23 February 2010 - 03:02

Prager, there must be a reason for this trend. What is causing the demand?

Nice, rich pigment on my blanketback b&t male. The sun is catching his eyes, and making them appear lighter than they actually are.

by Sunsilver on 23 February 2010 - 03:02

Whoa! What do you mean by 'old style'? The harness markings? Ranger has those too! Was Fox a DDR dog? Ranger's parentage is unknow, and I'm always looking for clues as to what it might possibly be!

Here's a picture of the harness markings on his chest: That's my black and silver Shiloh puppy curled up beside him.

by ziegenfarm on 23 February 2010 - 04:02

excellent post, hans. unfortunately, there are many other demands made by show and sport folks that render a dog useless for work as well. i think we all agree that too much focus on any one trait can ultimately ruin the dog. too much emphasis on color, coat, gait, hip production and even prey drive will cause us to lose sight of all else.
by the way, i love your bitch, erin. she is lovely.
pjp

by VonIsengard on 23 February 2010 - 04:02

I'm not going to lie, I love the look of a "black" sable. But I would never compromise the whole dog for the sake of color, a correct dog is a correct dog of any color. Interesting to hear of working line breeders having this problem. In showlines everyone wants deep red, a dark mask, and on the upper limits of size. They want monstrously huge bodied dogs, who cares if the dog is barrel chested or brisket too deep...they want a grizzly bear. Medium dogs are sneered at by many buyers.

I do care very much about hips, but also elbows and ALL health, must be balanced with structure, working ability, and diverse genetics. Very, very difficult to do these days.

As usual, what the market wants is not always what is best for the breed!

by Jyl on 23 February 2010 - 05:02

Here is a picture of my Czech female. She is not a black sable. I like her conformation and her temperment.

Here is my showline male...

by 4pack on 23 February 2010 - 05:02

Hey this trend is fine fro me, I will take all of the non black sable pups from these litters, no one else wants. Really do people ask for big heads and expect to get it in an 8 week old pick? I don't even want a sable because that is the "in" thing. They are my least fav color, but maybe I just like going against the grain. I really really want a solid black, one day because I haven't had one yet, but I'm not going to choose the black pup in the next litter I look at because of it. Someday the best pup in a litter I am interested in will be black and I will get my wish. Good things come to those who wait.

by Kalibeck on 23 February 2010 - 07:02

Here are my dogs, all sables, & black & tan, although Lil' Bit is a melanistic B&T! My bitch & her sable pups have those 'old style' markings, which I love....jackie harris

by Preston on 23 February 2010 - 07:02

I really like the looks, color, croup, proportions, angles and male type with big masculine head of Ajax vom Adlerbach. He is a very attractive, typey male and I like the look of the photos of two his sons on PDB also. This is the type of male GSD folks should breed for.

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