how common is civil drive? - Page 6

dog will notice the bad man comming way before we do not easy to sneak up on a dog

Poison,
That would depend on the suspision level of the dog.  Some overly confident dull gsds' would not react.  Then what if the person is in plain sight kindly saying "give me your money" in a nice, calm voice.  If the dog does not fire up on command it useless in this situation.  And there r many so to speak well bread gsd like this.

There is no accurate general statement you can say about the breed.

Trouble, good point. An overly confident dog without enough suspicion is useless unless we are looking for a golden retriever.

yeah i agree the best situation would be if some jerk started to man handle bulllly assault u with his hands or knife

if they have a gun having a gsd wont matter

Golden retriever or showline gsd.  What ever your flavor is.  Personally I think id have better luck w/ the golden.

Poison,

Not to start a tissy but "if they have a gun a GSD won't matter": please explain. Now I hope that you're not implying just because the perp has a gun it's a no win situation for you or your dog???

Not to deviate too much from the topic but (not saying you) I love when the "average" person thinks that they or someone could shoot a dog that is running towards you balls to the walls and that you will 1. hit it 2. put it down. and 3 that it still won't get you or get to you.

oh ok i was speaking for myself i am not a big strong man like you :) but yeah depends on the guy and the situation

but yeah the 2 of us together have a better chance then one on our own

First, it's has nothing to do with strength. Or being a man. All I'm saying, it's a known fact (LEO, military, hunters, public safety etc; etc.) the average person who never has shot a weapon before can't hit what they're aiming at. Then throw in other variables, fear, nervousness, not wanting to be caught etc. etc. All the studies, tests, practicals, scenarios over the years. 

Layman's' terms: I have no idea how fast the dog is running. But say 20 yards away. This dog WANTS you! Wants to hurt you bad. Maybe even wants to kill you! 20 yards is a blink. Now you as an average person/perp knows this and for whatever reason you're still going to attempt to take that dog on. With all the emotions, adrenaline, etc. involved you're going to try and stay calm, make sure you either have a round in the chamber or in the cylinder, the weapons safety is off, now you're going to aim and pull the trigger (once?) and hit this ? 1' frontal target that is coming for you? Check out some you tubes. I think it is a French team, can't remember the name, SWAT or higher? Mans at a vehicle firing and a man is trying to push another man into a vehicle. One of the Mals hops over the vehicle and the second comes across the front of the building. Yes, it's a training scenario but look at the speeds and that's with obstacles in the dogs' way. Not a straight B-line to the person. And a good distance,.  

Rereading the posts, and yes it would be nice for multiple people to put their .02 worth in. Depnding on who they are, what type of work they do and what type of dog they own, control, handle, breed etc. I stated before there are "many worlds" for the GSD let alone the "working" GSD. Personally I don't draw a line between "show" and "working" but as former military, former LEO and Explosive Detection Dog Handler I am only familiar with the "working" aspect or the dog being a tool, and extension of your capibilites.The way one is schooled or trained, their background and even in communicating words or sentences might mean different things. We go back and forth about those things here. It's not really a bad thing, just how our society/and individuals are. But up above you state "take a simple post simple question....." To me it's not so simple, it's very vague/broad. And for me or the way I know or the way I was taught or my interpretation a civil dog is not the same as a dog displaying civil drive. My thoughts are civilness is not a drive. You didn't put the dog into the mode to make him act like that. He/she already is like that. Possibly 24/7. Now yes you can have the dog turn it up a notch and you can influence that. But for me when I see/say civil the dog is already there. Nobody did anything to enhance it, turn it up.  And yes we can debate, but hear where I am coming from; example; I don't really get into the "mental" aspect of dogs but I'll try and explain. If you can't come near my vehicle without the vehicle rocking back and forth off it's tires, or my cruiser, or if you can't bring another handler with their dog near my vehicle, dogor if my dog acts like it just wants to tear into everyone on the field or off the field with or without equipment, with or without provocation. But to me/with me he would seem like a "normal" (I know, too vague) dog. I didn't put him into a mode, there wasn't a situation or scenario, we didn't have/go through steps 1.2.3 to get there. That is what it means to me. I think Tess( I could be wrong) was the only person to have a books definition? And I would agree with that.

Here's a stupid analogy; If you go to the bookstore, to the cooking section, how many books, chefs are there to make the same dish, (a common dish).