how common is civil drive? - Page 7

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Not to start a tissy but "if they have a gun a GSD won't matter": please explain

Not the person you were asking, but I guess if the guy was pretty serious about getting your stuff, he would see the dog and shoot the dog first, then you. I am not sure that criminals are really all that brilliant, but in for a penny, in for a pound so to speak. 

OP made a statement. Not sure if it was his/her belief. By the statement and the wording I would believe yes. For the OP to make a statement so vast in/with variables I wanted clarification. We in all aspects of the lines we work could sit I would think a couple of days and talk "what ifs", "could've, would've, should'ves", and I seen this or heard of this. 

Your scenario/situation could definitely work. BUT it could also not work. When a person tosses out a situation with such a broad spectrum of variables either being involved/listed or not having any listed then it's like a Monday morning quarterbacking game or a recant of experiences. By some of your threads/responses I have read I would think you are knowledgeable on/with dogs. So, I ask, when you make the statement are you playing devils' advocate or seriously making a statement for the perp/against the dog? I only ask because I know "if there's a will there's a way" and yes he could shoot the dog first. These conversations take up so much time/energy but I'll try. 

Depending on the dog? Owner? Handler? Is the perp going to get close enough? What weapon is the perp using? Where's the location of the incident? Public? Private? Multiple persons in the general area? Just the perp/potential victim and dog? Is the potential victim "working" or just John Q. Public?     

 I was simply stating what I thought the person meant basically.

I think if you have a dog with you, then unless you are really pushing it, you will not have any problems in this lifetime. I have lived a while and I have never been bothered walking a dog, or just walking. I also know where the bad neighborhoods are and avoid them. : ) I am also a large male, so maybe that is some of it.

I think that a dog is what it is. If a dog is civil, it is civil like you said. No reason, the dog will bite.

I think some of the "civil" training I have seen with civilians is sorta goofy. : ) But I guess that goes back to me and dogs are what they are. You can train all you want, but if you cannot see what your dog is, then reality has a big fat disappointment waiting for you.

I have had dogs that will bite you if I tell them to, and they do not care if you are wearing something. I have had dogs that would have to be pumped up, and then it would probably not be the prettiest thing in the world. AND, I have had dogs that would look at me like I was retarded. 

IF you want a PP dog, I would actively seek out a dog that you would have to train NOT to bite unless told. I do not believe in the drive thing like I stated before. 

I hear you.  I like when a thread has many replies. Doesn't mean every reply is going to be right though. And I hope I'm not sounding too harsh on the OP but originally I felt he/she was talking about something a little different then the topic. And in my eyes it was not so simple.  One has their belief and another theirs. It;s not always right and wrong or black and white but in my eyes it should be along the same lines. OP stated in one block about a lab getting between something and kids and biting. But that's not defining civil. Can't remember if it was on here but  there was a thread of a cat at an alligator farm and the cat got between the gator at the waters edge and the kids. I think the cat swatted? Hissed ? Bit? the gator (can't remember) For whatever the reason(s), the cat felt it had to/needed to protect the children. Do you see my point? 

 I do.

I see the people who want to protection train their dogs and the dog is smashed up against their legs growling at me, and scared to death, and they proudly announce "LOOK ! He is protecting me already ! ! ! "

I did not see the lab post and had to go back and look. Good grief, missed the boat on that one. Not even in the ballpark with civil.

Remember when sharp had nothing to do with nervy ? LOL How many snarling nervebags have I seen over the years that were described as "sharp".

People take what is said and MAKE it fit their dog. Like I said, reality can bite pretty damn hard. Luckily, most people live in safe houses, and neighborhoods and will never have to worry about being wrong.

I'm no expert, and I still have more to learn. And I'm willing to learn as long as the information is legite. If a person is around dogs, even just one,(depending on the facts/job) 24/7 I would hope to  conclude that person knows what they're are talking about. Not always the case. Also, longevity does not guarantee expertise. There are many ways to the same destination, not just one. And there isn't one set in stone. Sometimes people forget that. I would love to learn a new way if it is a better way. But individuals are different, dogs are different. GSDs are different.

I think last page went off the topic a bit....a guy with a gun...nice calm demand in a friendly voice...i am sorry but that just dumb, dog should not make a decision on the strangers behavior but on your reaction.....I have 2 great examples that will clearly show it should be you not stranger to trigger behavior...

My male 3.5 years old Dozer...he is my people pleaser..he is a couch potato, he will whimper when I yell at him for something...but he is more in tune with me than any dog i ever had.

Last October i had a surgery (gallbladder removal) same week my neighbor stopped by to bring mail that was left in his box, my dogs know him very well he helped us out a lot when we first moved in a few years ago and Dozer knew him since he was 7 month old..no issues ever….so he came down our driveway I came outside and we were talking Dozer walked around us, he petted him, Dozer laid down between us, rolled over…within 5 min. I had a sharp pain go through my stomach and I just cringed, I froze, held my breath…moments before pain started Dozer stood up and his fur was up..the moment pain hit me, he was doing perfect hold and bark except he was advancing towards my neighbor he was face to face with him and my neighbor was scarred..he was moving backwards saying “it’s ok boy, it’ ok” I could not say a word…good thing my neighbor was feet from the road and within few steps was off the property….Dozer did not back off or walked away he starred him down even when he was off the driveway.

2 Months ago I had a door to door sales person stop by..i came outside Dozer came with me…he sniffed person I was open minded and friendly, guy seemed nice…we had a conversation about real estate, expansion of citty, blah blah..Dozer was laying down with his eyes closed between us it was about 30-40 min conversation I was leaning against my car..when conversation started turning in a direction I did not like…1st weird comment kind of gave me red flag and Dozer was up looking at him (sales person) he did not notice change in my dog..and continued talking making joke and laughing but it just was no longer appropriate and I just got a really uncomfortable feeling with a cold chill in my gut when Dozer went into snarling showing all his teeth and moving towards the guy…I grabbed his collar and told guy that it was time to go, I held on to the collar till he was off the property and I have no doubt that if that guy reached for me or even took a step closer he would have been missing some body parts…

So all this talk about “nice” strangers should not matter..your reaction should determine your state of mind and level of protection owner would require….

Lady frost, so if I have gas pains, my dog should react, but if my neighbor starts getting irate, he shouldn't?

 No, no Don, it is about a "magical" connection that you need to have. Plus, you need to find a dog that whimpers when yelled at. 

I know that when I am in need of medical attention I want my retard dog to start protecting me from the people that could help me out. 

Magical. 

Jeff, you have a way with words! I smile quite a bit about what is written here, but that made me laugh.