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by HighDesertGSD on 13 October 2011 - 23:10
"Police dogs are shot at every day like you play with your dogs every day....Right!!!! That's so asinine that it doesn't even deserve a response. Most police and police dogs are never shot at once in their career. I can't deal with ignorance....Take care!
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Yes, police dogs are attacked.
It is a perplexing why ordinarily intelligent people refuse to accept the obvious, for a belief and a cause.
A main part why police dogs are used is because a dog's life is more expandable than a human life. This I main both the life of the cop and that of the suspect. Why deny the totally obvious?
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Yes, police dogs are attacked.
It is a perplexing why ordinarily intelligent people refuse to accept the obvious, for a belief and a cause.
A main part why police dogs are used is because a dog's life is more expandable than a human life. This I main both the life of the cop and that of the suspect. Why deny the totally obvious?
by HighDesertGSD on 13 October 2011 - 23:10
"Dogs are definitely needed for drug detection, bomb detection, SAR, therapy, apprehending criminals, etc. I don't see how they could ever be replaced! In fact, I think we need them now more than ever"
This response indicates a certain mindset.
I mean the placing of SAR and drug detection in the company of bomb detection.
If a person does not at once sense the difference between SAR/drug detection and bomb detection, there is incurable species elitism.
How can a dog lover cite "bomb detection" with such indifference?
This response indicates a certain mindset.
I mean the placing of SAR and drug detection in the company of bomb detection.
If a person does not at once sense the difference between SAR/drug detection and bomb detection, there is incurable species elitism.
How can a dog lover cite "bomb detection" with such indifference?
by minro on 13 October 2011 - 23:10
HighDesertGSD:
"All dogs belong as pets if they have a choice.
My dogs are exercise and play companions.
Not a good life for them? Play and exercise not fun? Why is play and exercise not good times for a dog?
Do they need the challenge of protection?
No they don't actually need it.
It is a human centered fantasy that dogs need "work".
I may get involved with dog sport, but I will never have the zeal that a dog needs "work" to be happy.
You want a dog to do sport so that you can be happy, so that you can have the fun of it.
It is 100% OK for you to have fun with dog sport and it is not 100% OK to have a dog mainly for sport, but I hope you don't be conceited in believing the GSD is a breed has to do certain work of mostly presumed utility. "
I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read. If you don't truly believe that some GSD's DON'T need to "work" to be happy, I'd love for you to come over and spend 24 hours with my dog. My shepherd, like I'm sure TONS of others out there, would much rather work than sit around and follow me around the house and "play" with me.
I can say with 100% certainty that my dog would much rather be outside tracking, doing obedience for the ball, bitework, etc, than leisurely walking with me around the house or neighborhood and being a "pet", and I LOVE her that way. You claim that it's ridiculous that dogs would rather be shot at than play with you in your yard, but I'm not sure you recognize the fact that police dog's don't see their jobs as risky. And they sure as hell don't wake up everyday and think "oh man, I might get shot at today, I'd rather stay at home..." They love to work because they are WORKING DOGS, and I hope that never dies in the breed.
"All dogs belong as pets if they have a choice.
My dogs are exercise and play companions.
Not a good life for them? Play and exercise not fun? Why is play and exercise not good times for a dog?
Do they need the challenge of protection?
No they don't actually need it.
It is a human centered fantasy that dogs need "work".
I may get involved with dog sport, but I will never have the zeal that a dog needs "work" to be happy.
You want a dog to do sport so that you can be happy, so that you can have the fun of it.
It is 100% OK for you to have fun with dog sport and it is not 100% OK to have a dog mainly for sport, but I hope you don't be conceited in believing the GSD is a breed has to do certain work of mostly presumed utility. "
I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read. If you don't truly believe that some GSD's DON'T need to "work" to be happy, I'd love for you to come over and spend 24 hours with my dog. My shepherd, like I'm sure TONS of others out there, would much rather work than sit around and follow me around the house and "play" with me.
I can say with 100% certainty that my dog would much rather be outside tracking, doing obedience for the ball, bitework, etc, than leisurely walking with me around the house or neighborhood and being a "pet", and I LOVE her that way. You claim that it's ridiculous that dogs would rather be shot at than play with you in your yard, but I'm not sure you recognize the fact that police dog's don't see their jobs as risky. And they sure as hell don't wake up everyday and think "oh man, I might get shot at today, I'd rather stay at home..." They love to work because they are WORKING DOGS, and I hope that never dies in the breed.
by HighDesertGSD on 13 October 2011 - 23:10
"I'm sorry, but this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read. If you don't truly believe that some GSD's DON'T need to "work" to be happy, I'd love for you to come over and spend 24 hours with my dog."
So what is work and what is play?
Why doesn't play make a dog happy?
So what is work and what is play?
Why doesn't play make a dog happy?
by minro on 13 October 2011 - 23:10
That is my point. To my dog, and to all true working GSDs, what you would consider "work", is "play" to them. A police dog loves doing what it does. A SAR dog loves doing what it does. Etc etc.
You claim that running 8-9 miles a week (my dog and I run 7/day) playing in your yard (whatever that entails), and jumping through some hoops keeps your dog happy. But to dogs that have over the top drives, like many LE dogs, and some working pets - like mine, that isn't enough.
You seem to be making the argument that dogs with true jobs such as SAR and LE, are consciously aware of the fact that they are going to work everyday... When in fact, in their mind, they see it as a day of play.
You claim that running 8-9 miles a week (my dog and I run 7/day) playing in your yard (whatever that entails), and jumping through some hoops keeps your dog happy. But to dogs that have over the top drives, like many LE dogs, and some working pets - like mine, that isn't enough.
You seem to be making the argument that dogs with true jobs such as SAR and LE, are consciously aware of the fact that they are going to work everyday... When in fact, in their mind, they see it as a day of play.
by HighDesertGSD on 14 October 2011 - 00:10
My GSDs play with their tail wagging. Run in obstacle course.
They run at top speed briefly next to me riding on my bike.
Are these activities work or play?
Are they not happy than doing "work"?
Why or why not? Why do you think so?
They run at top speed briefly next to me riding on my bike.
Are these activities work or play?
Are they not happy than doing "work"?
Why or why not? Why do you think so?
by HighDesertGSD on 14 October 2011 - 00:10
About twice a week for a couple of minutes, my GSDs get to run at top speed with me riding a bike.
How many working GSDs have experienced full throttle for a few minutes twice a week? Is this not a challenge for a dog, work or play?
by beetree on 14 October 2011 - 00:10
I just think it is ridiculous putting the question to the dog, because I believe it is his bond with his master that makes him happiest. With that bond, he accomplishes what is asked. To him, the job probably isn't something he rates on a scale of one to five.
And the police officer only wants to bond with a certain dog with certain traits. Likewise other GSD owners want certain traits. They both fall on the spectrum of acceptable GSD traits. So who's going to tell me that is wrong thinking?
And the police officer only wants to bond with a certain dog with certain traits. Likewise other GSD owners want certain traits. They both fall on the spectrum of acceptable GSD traits. So who's going to tell me that is wrong thinking?
by HighDesertGSD on 14 October 2011 - 00:10
"I just think it is ridiculous putting the question to the dog, because I believe it is his bond with his master that makes him happiest. "
This is a part.
But I think one should not carry the thought too far to all happiness for a dog is bond with you.
Just as important, I believe it is my bond with my dog that makes ME happy.
This is a part.
But I think one should not carry the thought too far to all happiness for a dog is bond with you.
Just as important, I believe it is my bond with my dog that makes ME happy.
by beetree on 14 October 2011 - 00:10
If you've ever seen a dog with a strong bond be reunited with his long, lost master, I'd say it goes beyond what makes "ME" happy.
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