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by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 17:05
No kidding–– it is a business transaction. Why is that so hard to understand? You are throwing in red herrings, just to muddy the issue.
A refund should have been given when the dog was returned. What it is going to cost to fix the dog is irrelevent as to the status of the refund. Why is that so hard to understand? This is just ironic to me, because recently I was accused of being too sensitive, and now when I'm just being analytical, I'm the evil monster. You guys are trying so hard to make excuses, really, you should take a step back and see it for what it is.
A refund should have been given when the dog was returned. What it is going to cost to fix the dog is irrelevent as to the status of the refund. Why is that so hard to understand? This is just ironic to me, because recently I was accused of being too sensitive, and now when I'm just being analytical, I'm the evil monster. You guys are trying so hard to make excuses, really, you should take a step back and see it for what it is.
by OGBS on 02 May 2012 - 18:05
Beetree,
I, personally, don't care about either party involved in this dispute.
I do, however, care about the dog. I love animals, that's the point. Do what is right by the dog, then be adults and figure out the rest of the details. That is the point being made by me.
It's well documented that you despise Jenni. I don't care for her myself.
What you said about emotionalism applies to you also.
Don't let your emotions towards Jenni muddy things for you either.
The point being made is that the breeder took the dog back and is getting the surgery needed or will do it.
Most breeders would just put the dog down and cut their losses. In light of this, and if T-Hunde actually cares about the well being of the dog, maybe she could provide for a little latitude as to when she receives her refund. Maybe, hopefully, the two of them can work this out on their own without the PDB court of ill-informed opinion. Like usual, and I hope this is a lesson to both of them, it truthfully gets neither party anywhere.
As for this being a cut and dried business transaction and your retail background, I have a legal background and understand contracts and business transactions, I'm sure, much better than you. Gleaning from what has been written, there are holes in both sides and a case can be made either way. This is virtually true of any legal dispute. Therefore, don't assume what you know is cut and dried and how it could actually play out in a court of law.
So there is no misinterpretation of what I am speaking of here, I am not taking in to consideration the possibility of abuse or neglect as a legal argument either way in this dispute. I am strictly speaking of how the purchase and subsequent return of the puppy was handled by both parties.
I, personally, don't care about either party involved in this dispute.
I do, however, care about the dog. I love animals, that's the point. Do what is right by the dog, then be adults and figure out the rest of the details. That is the point being made by me.
It's well documented that you despise Jenni. I don't care for her myself.
What you said about emotionalism applies to you also.
Don't let your emotions towards Jenni muddy things for you either.
The point being made is that the breeder took the dog back and is getting the surgery needed or will do it.
Most breeders would just put the dog down and cut their losses. In light of this, and if T-Hunde actually cares about the well being of the dog, maybe she could provide for a little latitude as to when she receives her refund. Maybe, hopefully, the two of them can work this out on their own without the PDB court of ill-informed opinion. Like usual, and I hope this is a lesson to both of them, it truthfully gets neither party anywhere.
As for this being a cut and dried business transaction and your retail background, I have a legal background and understand contracts and business transactions, I'm sure, much better than you. Gleaning from what has been written, there are holes in both sides and a case can be made either way. This is virtually true of any legal dispute. Therefore, don't assume what you know is cut and dried and how it could actually play out in a court of law.
So there is no misinterpretation of what I am speaking of here, I am not taking in to consideration the possibility of abuse or neglect as a legal argument either way in this dispute. I am strictly speaking of how the purchase and subsequent return of the puppy was handled by both parties.
by beetree on 02 May 2012 - 18:05
Look, feelings aside, let's get to what is right. And I don't HATE Jenni, I think she is a salesperson who uses emotions to her advantage because of the nature of the "beast", dare I say product?
Jenni has the dog. Jenni has the money. TH has nothing.
Jenni brags: She researched her dogs, she says they are the best around. Now there are genetic issues, she wants to blame everything on environment or the negligent actions of the buyer. She says, "what if", I say, people don't be fooled.
She comes on here with a neverending declaration how because she "cares" (more than me? Unprovable!) and her tough-as-nails screening of potential buyers, and iron clad contracts and Buy Back policy, (or is it really a pie-in-the sky philosophy?) to woo potential buyers, that she's the bomb.
Well, the bomb is detonating, and for the dogs' sake I am sorry.
Jenni has the dog. Jenni has the money. TH has nothing.
Jenni brags: She researched her dogs, she says they are the best around. Now there are genetic issues, she wants to blame everything on environment or the negligent actions of the buyer. She says, "what if", I say, people don't be fooled.
She comes on here with a neverending declaration how because she "cares" (more than me? Unprovable!) and her tough-as-nails screening of potential buyers, and iron clad contracts and Buy Back policy, (or is it really a pie-in-the sky philosophy?) to woo potential buyers, that she's the bomb.
Well, the bomb is detonating, and for the dogs' sake I am sorry.
by Blitzen on 02 May 2012 - 20:05
Bombs away..........make the deal........fix the dog. I wish Bee were a breeder.
by Jenni78 on 03 May 2012 - 17:05
I see you have been very busy crusading, and well, your efforts are paying off. Seems a victory was won in Forumlandia after all! A miracle has occurred; my boss has agreed that you are right, and therefore, he will pay me this Friday, the first Friday of the month, instead of this Friday, the first Friday of the month like he always does. Whew! You must be exhausted. But alas, it was all worth it. He never would have agreed to pay me this Friday, the first Friday of the month, as our contract states, without your clear demonstration of moral superiority and astute comparisons of puppy to appliance! Now that I have seen the light and the error of my evil ways, I will send TH money back after I get paid, the first Friday of the month, instead of after I get paid, the first Friday of the month, as we had previously agreed, since I am paying for surgery. I cannot thank you ladies enough. Without you as my moral compass, TH wouldn't have gotten paid until the time we had agreed upon, after I got paid, the first Friday of the month.
by beetree on 03 May 2012 - 18:05
WONDERFUL! What a great feeling it must be knowing you are doing the right thing.
I am so proud of you Jenni!
I am so proud of you Jenni!
by Red Sable on 03 May 2012 - 18:05
Forgive me Miss Megalomaniac if I hold my applause until I hear it from TH herself.
It's always nice when one does the right thing without pressure from outside sources, isn't it? 
by Keith Grossman on 03 May 2012 - 19:05
"It's pretty exhausting, being a member of the breed police, but so worthwhile since you don't actually have to know anything to save the world from evil."
LMAO! Truer words may never have been spoken.
LMAO! Truer words may never have been spoken.
by beetree on 03 May 2012 - 19:05
Awwwe, now why go ruining all your good karma with sour grapes. 
All's well that ends well.
All's well that ends well.
by Keith Grossman on 03 May 2012 - 19:05
Me?
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