Refunds- yes or no and when and what if?? - Page 12

 

If this breeder hadn't interrupted pretty much every thread  and injected herself into them with her BS about how great her dogs were, with NO unhappy customers ( I guess we won't have to listen to that anymore huh?) or how she as a breeder will ALWAYS buy them back, (probably won't have to listen to that anymore either which is a plus)  how she is not going to breed anymore littlers (laughing hysterically at that one) to mention a few,  I doubt that anyone would be saying anything.

 

I am a new breeder and my stated policy is: 1.  I have a basic health guarantee for the defects I am able to test the mother for and ensure the sire has been tested for, this being effective for refund or replacement of said dog up to 26 months.  (enough time to get OFA)  I will breed only proven, titled, KKl 'd dogs.  Refund or replacement is dependant on my vet reviewing X-Rays or a Board Certified Radiologist currently practicing in Canada or the US.  The dog is returned to me and it is the breeder's choice to refund or replace.  2.  Not said in contract:  If the buyer is really unhappy and does not want another dog from me, refund and return of the dog is best.  Also, in the first six months to a year (my discretion), if the buyer simply does not get along with the dog, I will take the dog back and give a refund rather than see a good pup go bad in the wrong hands.  I care about my pups and would not want any to be placed badly.   3.  I actually will and have turned away cash full-price buyers if I think they do not know what they are getting in a working GSD pup or even if they seem hinky to me.  Want to limit getting back a ruined dog six months to a year later.  4.  Educate the buyer as best I can in what I believe to be the best way to bring up a working pup.  BE THERE for them, and at six months, check up on them and ask for feedback, good or bad.  Keep an open line and an open mind.  5.  I don't breed for the money.  Often, you will lose more than you make.  Do it for the love of the breed and the love of creating the best quality animals that you can.  Stand behind what you breed.  You won't get rich, but you might get a modicum of respect.
I did get a pup back at 7 months in December.  Buyer thought he might be too much for her.  I absolutely love him and he's not leaving me ever again.  So there you go.  Sometimes you get the right one back!

Very true, wanderer. I once got back a dog that ended up setting a breed record for number of dogs defeated in one show. The buyer felt he was not big enough. I didn't...............LOL.

LOL, RS. Deja Moo all over again.

Keith said, " I accept that as a reality of life if I choose to buy a puppy and commit to living with that decision for entirety of the dog's life. "

I like that..

Apparently breeders should now open a savings account because the recession is over just in case a puppy comes back. I don't see the problem of paying back the owner as soon as you have the money. Money is not growing on trees these days. People need to remember most breeders are not making megamillions on litters.

Most of us who have ever bred a litter have dealt with a returned dog, compensation, etc. We've discussed that here and on other breed boards ad nauseum. I received critisicm for saying I do not refund money and I say so in my contract. Compensation will be be another dog from a different litter period. Buyer had a 3 time right of refusal, then the contract was no longer valid.  When you agree in writing to return money for a "defective" dog then you had better have enough cash sitting in a slush fund to back that promise on every dog you breed. And you'd better realize that you may well end up keeping those returned dogs forever so have enough room to do that. It's part of doing business in the dog world. Otherwise stop breeding dogs. 

Honoring a written contract has nothing whatsoever to do with the economy or finances. It has to do with making it right as was agreed in writing.  If the buyer want his money back, you give it to him. If he agrees to partial payments, that's great. If not, pony up. If you  don't want others to offer opinions, then keep it private. Easy to say - I'd give the breeder a break and wait for my money when it's not your money and you only see the tip of the iceberg and you have no idea about how the relationship between the breeder and the buyer has evolved.

Most times when I offered this advice and told about getting back about 25% of the dogs I bred the response from some was - I never get dogs back, I am so picky about who gets one of my dogs.I really care about them, and I will always buy back a dog that is no longer wanted. I don't want MY dogs going to rescue. Who does?

Pride cometh before the fall. Got it now?






 

I agree very nicely phrased.

Hey, genius, again, really slowly, let me explain; there was no written contract, since she refused it, and furthermore, my contract provides for a replacement, not a refund. I am not a contract nazi; a piece of paper isn't going to have much influence on my choice between right or wrong for the dog, so if someone doesn't want it, I don't care. I just say that I would ALWAYS buy a dog back if I need to, to prevent trashy, callous people from ditching the dog w/out my knowledge. Apparently, in these tough times, some see that as a good way to make a quick buck- they know their dog is worth what they paid for it to the breeder, so why not? Who cares about right and wrong and what's best for the dog?  And I don't mind one bit- all the better to get the dog away from those kind of people, the sooner the better. 

The AGREEMENT was just a few weeks ago, when I got him and his papers, finally (after trying MULTIPLE times), and said I would pay them next pay period...which hasn't been until now/next week, so this whole debacle is nothing but sheer insanity...totally unneccessary drivel, spurred by the 3 usual suspects who would rally and do their best to find fault if I saved their children from a burning schoolbus.   It's just you three, screaming from the hilltops about utterly impertinent nonsense, with not even the slightest interest in the truth about what you're ranting about.  What will you dream up next, when this gets too boring?

I still can't believe this thread turned into a thread about Corrado. 

Best if this thread be left to die the good death?