Critique my dog please - Page 7

Ha ha, the working line folks posting on this thread are a bunch of goofballs. They can bag on show lines all day long, laugh and giggle and carry on. Soon as someone makes a valid point against their precious working lines they just lose all their common sense. That is just funny from my POV.  lol!

Vianden, thanks for the pictures as they are very nice and so is your dog.  But that sure looks like a show line shepherd to me from those pictures.  Wouldn’t surprise me at all your girl has some showline in her background.  Also, take a look at the dogs that compete for the Herding titles at the Sieger Show.  Interestingly enough, most of them are showline as well.

As I said before, I am sure there are some working lines that can do this type of work but it is definitely the exception and not the rule.  But I am just sharing with you all my own experiences, take it or leave it, I don’t really give a crap if you believe or not.  I know what I know.

Maywood,

 Did you get into the sauce a little early this afternoon?

maywood you never made a valid point.......       And how is trotting around a ring working ability? When Max mentioned to let the breed remain a working dog.......I don't think trotting in a ring was the only thing he had in mind.  I know of plenty of WL Shepherds who could go and would go for hours "if" you let them. They would work themselves to death if you let them.   The so called "WL" dogs you had in the past must have been some seriously crappy, BYB WL dogs.

Felloffher, methinks she's been into it the whole time.   I'm still waiting for photos of what she considers to be the ideal showline dog. 

So Eddie, quite a wild hijacking for you, huh?

Felloffher (what does that name mean btw) - No, that was last night. You know, Saturday night, when most normal people party and have a good time to relieve stress from the previous work week. I unfortunately made a post I normally wouldn't have simply because I already knew it would ruffle some feathers. Not sure why I did that last night because I really don't give a crap. But I did, for whatever reason, and am merely following through with it I guess. But today I am just a little hung over is all. I am still sharing with you what I honestly believe to be the truth from my own experience and knowledge in the breed. At the end of the day, we are all still in love with the same breed of dog. So cheers, no hard feelings intended.

GSDGuy that owns mostly siberian huskies – still haven’t really figured out why you even post so much on a german shepherd dog board, but anyway.  The valid point is that running around a ring is not what you think it is.  It is a very intensive examination of the dog’s endurance.  Go to any German style show and watch the breathing patterns of the show lines compared to the few working lines that sometimes get entered.  You will see with your own eyes how the working lines will be panting up a storm about to fall over from exhaustion when its over.  This is ultimately why they don’t place so well, not because they are ugly.

EuroShepherd – I’m a dude not a dudette.  The greatest show line trotter I have ever seen with my own two eyes was Yasko Farbenspiel.  But one had to see him perform to truly believe it.  I am not even about to try to convince you of this.

Sorry for the hijacking, but I sure hope we are all learning something of value today.

What does it matter if I own mostly Huskies as to where I post. I have a German Shepherd, I have had some Shepherds in the past, and I've worked with a number of them before.  Aside from that the Sibes would run circles around your SL Shepherds.  Remember what my dogs were bred for.......  

...not on pavement they wouldn't.

gagsd4, I here you, I'm not concerned at all. I just wanted to get some feedback about his current conformation. To be honest I never noticed the "Wavy top line" so this I learned, maybe it will level out, maybe not. I also will be more aware of stacking etc. not sure what that will get me, but non the less.

Maywood, your experiences are as I said, far from the norm. Maybe you had some less than normal WL shepherds, I've been into Shepherds for five years other than in my youth. I've done SchH during this time, I can only remeber one WL that was out of shape. But the handler didn't do much with the dog and she was a bit out of shape herself. Other than SchH training one or two nights a week, I don't think the dog got out much.
I think if you gradually run/bike with a dog, keep it motivated, most could do an hour or more GSD or not, WL or SL. The dogs gotta want to do it, the drive has to be there, most WL have the drive, SL well some do, some don't.

For you to think you brought out a bright light for everyone to see is a bit of a stretch to say the least.

"GSDGuy that owns mostly siberian huskies – still haven’t really figured out why you even post so much on a german shepherd dog board, but anyway.  The valid point is that running around a ring is not what you think it is.  It is a very intensive examination of the dog’s endurance.  Go to any German style show and watch the breathing patterns of the show lines compared to the few working lines that sometimes get entered.  You will see with your own eyes how the working lines will be panting up a storm about to fall over from exhaustion when its over.  This is ultimately why they don’t place so well, not because they are ugly."


That is not 100% correct.  The problem is that a lot of working line people (and some show) do not ring train and road work the dogs prior to showing. Dogs are not trained for showing. 

Some judges run the dogs and some do not; I have been to both types of shows. 

I have seen dogs from both lines falling down in the front due to no work done prior to.  It is not based on lines; it is based on work prior to showing and running.

Oh fasteddielv, maywood did bring out the light! Don't you just want to trade your boy in because he won't do well and is just for obedience? Such BS. Give it a few months when his ugly duckling stage is gone, and I'm sure he'll stack well. He's got a nice coat, rich pigment, and a nice head formation. I'm glad he doesn't look like most SL who are so angulated they're about 4 inches shorter in the back than in the front. I'm sure he'll run circles around the SL, like most of the WL I've seen. But then again, apparently only SL can jog long distances and especially on pavement. Forget those Sibes, they're not meant for running long distances at all :)