ceasar milan - Page 4

I haven't seen him often; what I have seen I enjoyed. I never saw him kick a dog, a nudge with his foot - I wouldn't call that kicking. I've heard all sorts of negative remarks about him, mostly from female 20, 30 something trainers with internet degrees who think that all dogs are labs.

he got 1 thing right......IT'S NOT THE DOG....IT'S OWNERS.

Blitzen, that's funny, I've got exactly the same impression over the last
few years  (young, female, questionable qualifications and experience)
of most of those who 'doubt'  (to put it politely)  what Milan achieves.

Not to say that he is perfect, I don't think he is.  But it is interesting that
there seems to be quite a lot of vehemence in their accusations,  and
then it does the 'chinese whispers' thing in the wider world.  So we get
the feedback that he is 'terrible', and 'kicks' dogs, and 'sticks his fingers
in their ribs' etc.

Now, I HAVE watched many of the TV programmes he has made;  and I
have taken the trouble to read several of his books.

He does not claim, ever, to be a Trainer;  or a qualified Behaviourist.  He
just says, he has a way with dogs, he can 'read' them well, he spent a
lot of time watching dogs kept under 'natural' circumstances in Mexico.
IE not the stressed out handbag pets of New York & Hollywood.  Which he
learnt about later, when in the USA and walking and grooming them for
people.   What he does to sort out those, and their owners, is probably the
same sort of thing many of us would do, if faced with those situations [and
if having his charisma ... and teeth !].

Much is made of Cesar's use of the 'Alpha Roll' - but he didn't invent that,
did he ?  I can remember using the pin-down technique on some dogs
40 years ago, before anyone heard of Cesar Milan.  In some cases it is
an appropriate action, in some cases it suits (and works with) that dog;
other times it's really inappropriate or dangerous.

I really think at the very least people should watch & read, and determine
for themselves, what the guy does and how well he does it - or otherwise;
and not rely on things they hear 2nd-hand on the 'Net or whatever, to pass
judgement on him.

For someone who can read dogs, he does seem to get bitten a lot.

Margaret N-J

Margaret - yeah, there is that !

You can learn SOMETHING from EVERYONE...Even if it's what NOT to do...

The one thing I like about him is that he shows the public how to do things with your dog...without...using complusion...

There are many styles/techniques of training...

  When I said his approach was confrontational does not mean it was unecesary. The problem comes when this is the only point of reference people have and they use his tactics on dogs that are not screwed up and they end up causing conflict between them and their dogs. Cesar sets a good example in many things he does, waiting for your dog to be in the right frame of mind before proceeding on a walk is great for pet people to see. Pack theory is important to understand but it does not mean you need to force your authority when it is unnecessary. Respect is earned and submission is usually freely given by subordinates. Keep Cesar in perspective, he should only be a small part of your knowledge of canines.

I agree that Ceasar has to deal with dogs in people's homes that are beyond the owner's ability to cope with, with out professional help. They got the dog to that point themselves, unknowingly, so they couldn't possibly have the insight to fix it on their own. How ever, people with a new pup will see his methods of CORRECTING a problem as the way to deal with a dog with no issues to begin with, in other words over kill. Here's an example of what I'm talking about: a guy, 6 ft 6 in tall gets a female pup. The pup is playing in the house and stops in front of the guy and squats and pees. He stands up, grabs her and proceeds to roll her on her back "to show his dominance". WTF! then asks how he can instill confidence in the pup ! I told him to stop watching Dog Whisperer to learn how to raise his pup. Fixes used on problem dogs are NOT appropriate for raising puppies. That's why I tell people not to pay any attention to his show.

LOL. Markobytes, we posted at the same time and I just read your post....great minds and all that....LOL