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Cesar Milan is BRILLIANT. His methods have had more results than anyone or trainer that I know and as Hans and Gustuv have pointed out that he usually gets called inn to resolve problems that are often too far gone and I do believe that he assesses the problem and deals with it accordingly and is never excessive. For the person that made an example about a puppy being thrown on it's back for peeing as a way of exhibiting dominance and claiming that to be a Cesar Method, obviously you haven't watched his Puppyhood DVD's where he buys a number of different breeds (i think four: pitbul (junior), bulldog (mr. president), terrier (angel) and a lab) and lets the camera document him raising them. In the DVD there exists only structure and one gets to see that there would be no need for "harsh" corrections if dogs were raised in structure. I love how he house breaks the dogs too, when a dog pees inside he merely cleans it and emphasizes routine of feeding and taking the dog out after a meal and water and praising it for peeing so to accuse him of that nonsense is malicious.

He's never claimed to be a trainer, examples are when he recommends a schutzhund club...(http://youtu.be/S3XrKkrAZpY). STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE! I agree with Blitz as far as who his critics are. 

What was Cesar suppose to do with the aggressive wolf? I know for fact that most trainers would have bailed at the site of such aggression or resorted to e-collors and shocked the animal to death, he stayed and took the "prong" collar off because it wasn't getting any results. If anything I think that video shows how great a dog person Cesar is:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9YOyM2TAk.

Just would like to know what would have his critics done and what do they reommend for a situation like this? The dog was biting it's owners even...keep that in mind.

Positive re-inforcement? So this is the video recommended on the link by the poster over Cesar's method? http://youtu.be/EUCl6ndLN7Q. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Have any of these positive re-enforcement people dealt with a dog that isn't food motivated and a dog that merely wants to destroy another. When you watch Cesar another thing he does on each and every show is that he wins over the dog in small steps as oppossed to throwing the dog to the wolves so to speak. Everything with Cesar starts at home, establish structure there, from feeding rituals to who gets out the door first, then the "walk"...I'm missing some things but my point is that all of these small victories are won so that the dog knows to look to the owner for directions in all situations, all of these victories don't mean that it'll be easy it just means it won't be as bad as it would have been cause you now have some respect and favor with the dog from your small victories. I think that Cesar and Michael Ellis are the best out there.

MightyZeus Bang on!

Ceasar is a dog whisperer and certainly he is. Also he is a good businessman who knows how to advertise him.

I like his shows much. The way he handles dogs are great. Also I respect his leadership skills, whatever he teaches is applicable to human relations with few corrections ofcourse. He is a great man.

Many people who are critical of his methods of dealing with extreme behavior, have never dealt with extreme aggression or the like, MUCH less successfully  ever rehabilitated or corrected behaviors like this. So it is very easy to live in an ivory tower and issue opinions on what they see. Some of his critics are pet/sport dog trainers who are very successful in their programs that are structured and executed step by step. But when you encounter an unknown dog, in unknown environment, with unknown history to you, with behaviors that can be extremely dangerous, unsafe, to the family or others......you CANNOT always use the good housekeeping seal method of remedying the problem. Only people who don't do this are this naive. And let me tell you this also.....sometimes the behavior cannot be modified successfully even with everything tried an worse solutions have to take effect(rehome,PTS,etc). This is not fairy tale stuff, when people call you in to address something that is causing upheaval in their lives. I'm not say Cesar is perfect, in methods or results, I am saying that unless you understand and have performed in the type circumstances he is called in on.....yes you certainly may have an opinion, but I'm sure people in deserts don't understand why people live in igloos....just sayin.

Even I am not going to criticize Cesar for how he dealt with the Malamute. The dog already had resorted to attacking it's owners and was going after Cesar. Was he supposed to let the dog tear him up? This behaviour probably got the dog into rescue in the first place and the dog was lucky not to be euthanized. Notice how he kept his emotions out of it and did not take it personally. I have not drunk the Cesar Kool-Aid believing that he is the ultimate authority and his methods are the best for dealing with every situation. Cesar does have his Fruit- loop moments. 
  Mighty Zeus you missed the point of what the poster was saying about the six week old puppy. It doesn't matter how much shows the poster sees or what Cesar has put out. It is what people take away from watching Cesar that matters. Some are watching the show and are mesmerized by how he deals with vicious man eating dogs. They do not always observe his good points or watch his puppy raising DVDs. They try to mimic what they perceive as his toughness and practice it on their dogs when it is not appropriate. 

I would have dealt with the situation by calling in a licensed behavorist- NOT a TV personality! Do I have suggestions, personally? Of course not, because like Cesar, I am not a certified animal behavorist! Therefore I would not presume to take on a dog with a behavior problem.

I've owned and bred Malamutes. They are many times stronger and more determined than most GSD's. They need a very firm hand, especially around other dogs. Most are very inclined toward dog-on-dog aggression/dominance and nothing gives them more pleasure than a good fight. Females fight to the death, males fight to the point of submission.

I used a very well known dog behaviorist for my 2nd GSD. She was a published author and I'm pretty sure some here have read her books on caninie behavior. One day she tried to force her husband's Terv from the bed where they were napping together. The dog removed about half of her face and she spent a lot of time in the hospital. She admitted she ignored the signs that this was a dangerous dog that was going to hurt someone one day. He was allowed to dominate the family  while beng exposed to NILIF and positive reinforcement for most of his life. It was in his genes. She no longer works with large breed dogs.The next behaviorist came to the house and she was so afraid of Blitz that she  trembled the second he looked at her. He didn't try to lunge at her or bite her, but he knew he was going to be able to keep her where he wanted her to be. Some behaviorists don't always get it right either.

okay i re-read it markobytes and understand the point that people might naively apply methods from one shows in their specific case. i'm by no means drunk on the ceasar kool aid, i acknowledge that he has results and that he's being unfairly thrown under the bus for non-existant cruely. when i said that ceasar and michael ellis are the best out...i forgot to add dvd but for me that statement hold true in reality also as i'm yet to meet a trainer that is as elaborate and consistent in method and results. i don't doubt whether there are better trainers in reality but those trainers don't have the reach that these two have. i think that people should listen and watch the different scenerios presented to them on tv and dvd's, that way we won't have to blame the anyone for trying to learn and advance people to things that they thought were "natural" and unchangable but i do understand that people don't always listen to what they're being taught...they take what they want from a situation to reaffirm their belief. let me state that ceasar's and michael's way are not the only one's, it's just the ones that i easily understand and apply with results. none are cruel to animals.