Walter Martin talks - Page 2

Thanks GSD Lineage, you have cleared away a big deal of the clouds but some are still there. He talked about one of them having a strong back and the other a weaker one and I think he said Canto had better build, better withers and was more masculine !!!!!!!!!!

If that is true then much of what I heard and read about Canto is/was wrong, as Quanto was always described as the masculine one and Canto as the one who had loose ligaments. I suggest Preston, Gustav & djc share their knowledge on this specific point and I also would love to hear from Gustav, Prager and Darylheret on Martin saying Canto & Quanto go back to same bloodline as they were linebred on same dog !!!!! All knowlegable are invited to share.

Did he actually say he guarantees that a Sieger can not and will never come from Marko? Did anyone pay attention to that?
Did he actually say that if he had a choice/ability he would create a new bloodline?

Ibrahim

Ibrahim, I am not going to comment on WM, we have fifty years of his work before us....95% of the SL dogs of today go back to these dogs on BOTH sides. So no commentary is necessary...if these are the traits you routinely see today....then I say that all is good. Why dispute reality...it's there for all to see.

Ibrahim, I think I messed up. 

I think Alf was the long legged high wither Elegant Dog. and Rolf gave the lower stationed overloded front... So they used Alf with Rolf Females.
Now I really Don't think he spoke very much of Quanto and Canto... but He spoke of Vax and Manto Wienerau.

He says the roach came from Fix, and good hips, but that was the type of dog they needed to breed to win, so they did not select against the roach.

It was still fun to listen.
The same uploader has some other nice videos.

Makes sense 

But he did talk about Canto and Quanto, I have to re listen to that part again.


Gustav,

As a matter of fact I see this video as a valuable material for me and those like me who did not have the opportunity to own and see those dogs or direct ancestors from them, it is a learning for me. 
I can appreciate a person for his volume of contribution no matter how much I agree or disagree with, I can give him credit and be neutral. From my readings and hearings I think the down fall of the breed seen by many is/was not caused by what Martin did, he used techniques suitable for his kennel at a certain time from certain dogs which gave great results and shaped the breed in a certain period. The problem is in the successors who were not creative and kept doing the same combinations irregardless of arising faults/wasted traits.
I am not trying to debate anything here, just if we could make sure we understand what he says and write it down neutrally whether one agrees or disagrees with his breeding practices or theories. Most of present dogs came from his own, it is worth it to learn/understand his views then if anyone likes to analyze or present an adversing view he/she is welcome. Just explaining my intentions.
For a fact, I for one, I'm not sure I understood perfectly all he said, would like to see what others understood or didn't understand

im sure he did bring something to the breed  but according to  GSD legend breeder it was not anything good.......... Then came a new president Dr. Rummel, and the protection level went down. At that moment more politics came in. With politics, money, and ego, Walter and Hermann Martin ruined the German Shepherd breed. In my opinion, these 2 brothers also caused the split between the show lines and working lines. That was the beginning of the end of the German Shepherd. Dogs that were too big, hip problem, elbow problems, health programs all came out, too much line breeding. For the sport and police work, most people started going to the working lines because there was nothing else in the show lines anymore. That’s why the shepherd people started using Malinois instead.

sometimes people should dig a liitle more into the stories behind the stories..............

Ibrahim, I am not interested in arguing either, the Martin brothers judged and put up dogs for twenty years....I really don't see the difference in the breeding practices of past thirty years from the preceding twenty years when the brothers controlled things. I may well have missed where the past thirty years has deviated from the Martin years, and in that regard I am open to learning. I hope others post in with this information so I can learn also.
I understand the benefit for you and others this interview gives, plus I have committed to only posting positive things for now..

May I make a negative comment?

The history of the kennels Wienerau and Arminius is very informative for anybody who is interested in the history of the German Shepherd, but for me the time of the Martin brothers was a time of friendly dictation. Two brothers with the same goal, not always working together though, with higher intelligence than a lot of the "normal" shepherd owners, knowing about marketing and salesmanship before most of the people even knew about this word, built their picture of the German Shepherd for a long period. A lot of people followed them making a lot of money., and still do.

they sacrificed the greed for money...................thats disgusting.......

they sacrificed the breed for money............thats disgusting......