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by northwoodsGSD on 23 March 2013 - 11:03
Christine,
Thanks, I couldn't have explained it any better.
Molly,
Yep, I know about doc. I have a breeding with him already :) Thanks.
Thanks, I couldn't have explained it any better.
Molly,
Yep, I know about doc. I have a breeding with him already :) Thanks.
by Gustav on 23 March 2013 - 11:03
Christine, as usual you are right on point
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.by joanro on 23 March 2013 - 12:03
Christine, that is mind boggling !
by gekswag03 on 23 March 2013 - 14:03
I am a little confused as to why Fero is so bad?? Especially when he's 4 or 5 lines back. It seems to me that there is no perfect dog and it many great dogs there is some Fero back there. What is it that is trying to be avoided??
by Paul Garrison on 23 March 2013 - 16:03
Fero is not bad. It are advantages and disadvantages.
by Gustav on 23 March 2013 - 16:03
It's not that Fero is so bad, it's that every dog has good and bad. The more you load up on the good, guess what?....the more you load up on the bad! There is plenty of history to show what happens when you allow individual dogs in this breed to saturate a pedigree. But if an individual is creating something THEY like, although inconsistent with the legacy of the breed, then I guess it is alright.
by northwoodsGSD on 23 March 2013 - 17:03
For those that keep wondering "what's so bad with Fero"....
NO ONE here is saying he is bad or that it's a terrible thing to have him in a pedigree. However as with most everything else, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.
I breed for MYSELF. I know what my goals are & what I want my dogs to be like. In and among all the research that goes into every breeding I do, also goes MY personal preferences(to a point).
I also try to plan my breedings with an eye to any future breeding I may do & I want to keep my lines as open as possible, while still breeding for what I want.
As stated numerous times on this thread & others in regards to Fero, he is so prevelant in so many pedigrees, that is starts creating a bottleneck problem.
I am CHOOSING to go with a Fero free pedigree for one of my next GSD's. That does not mean you(general) have to go that route or even agree with me.
NO ONE here is saying he is bad or that it's a terrible thing to have him in a pedigree. However as with most everything else, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.
I breed for MYSELF. I know what my goals are & what I want my dogs to be like. In and among all the research that goes into every breeding I do, also goes MY personal preferences(to a point).
I also try to plan my breedings with an eye to any future breeding I may do & I want to keep my lines as open as possible, while still breeding for what I want.
As stated numerous times on this thread & others in regards to Fero, he is so prevelant in so many pedigrees, that is starts creating a bottleneck problem.
I am CHOOSING to go with a Fero free pedigree for one of my next GSD's. That does not mean you(general) have to go that route or even agree with me.
by hexe on 23 March 2013 - 19:03
Oh, great, Christine...like I don't already have far too many ways to spend my non-working hours avoiding things like housekeeping, you go and post a link to yet another web site I will lose myself in for days on end?? 
<shakes fist> Curse you, BlackthornGSD!! I should be dusting or vacuuming!
I do find it telling that the 'Fero-free' conversation has become, at the least, an annual event, while no similar query rises with any regularity as to a search for, say, ' Ursus-free' breedings being done...
<shakes fist> Curse you, BlackthornGSD!! I should be dusting or vacuuming!I do find it telling that the 'Fero-free' conversation has become, at the least, an annual event, while no similar query rises with any regularity as to a search for, say, ' Ursus-free' breedings being done...
by Nadeem6 on 24 March 2013 - 09:03
Excellent post Christine!
Here is a very nice non Fero dog. Sean Rivera worked him over a 3 day seminar and said he was one of the best GSD's he had seen, a world class/level dog and a "for real" dog. He has had two breedings with really nice temperament and aggression on the pups. Hopefully he will be used more often once he starts to win the big competitions. His bloodline is becoming rare so i hope we don't lose it in the future.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1345687
Here is a very nice non Fero dog. Sean Rivera worked him over a 3 day seminar and said he was one of the best GSD's he had seen, a world class/level dog and a "for real" dog. He has had two breedings with really nice temperament and aggression on the pups. Hopefully he will be used more often once he starts to win the big competitions. His bloodline is becoming rare so i hope we don't lose it in the future.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1345687
by workingdogz on 24 March 2013 - 09:03
Nadeem
Zorro is not 'Fero free'
Both Celly and Largo go back to Fero through Nick H & Yoschy.
Once you have heard a true screamer, you will know what others are
referring to. And Slam is correct, if you can get the dog to internalize all
that drive and channel it into the work, you will have one hell of a good dog,
but the screamers will try your patience, (and your eardrums). It takes good
clarity from the handler and consistency to achieve this internalization.
Zorro is not 'Fero free'
Both Celly and Largo go back to Fero through Nick H & Yoschy.
Once you have heard a true screamer, you will know what others are
referring to. And Slam is correct, if you can get the dog to internalize all
that drive and channel it into the work, you will have one hell of a good dog,
but the screamers will try your patience, (and your eardrums). It takes good
clarity from the handler and consistency to achieve this internalization.
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