Breeders using Fero free dogs - Page 5

"Purging" must mean something entirely different to you, beetree.  I don't mean it as anything other than culling examples from your selection pool for breeding.
purge
[ purj ]

1. get rid of opponents: to remove opponents or people considered undesirable from a state or organization
2. remove something undesirable: to get rid of something undesirable, impure, or imperfect
3. free somebody from guilt or sin: to make somebody or something pure and free from guilt, sin, or defilement

 northwoodsGSD, nor would I ever buy a dog from you, respect you or not.  Your logic is faulty, and inviting for argument.

Yes, I have done a 1-2 inbreeding.  If you want to talk theory, tell me all about it's doomed failure, having no experience of your own to share.  But northwoodsGSD would like you to do it in a different thread.

No need to talk Daryl... the disappointment needs no other theory talk.

I just saw the pedigree and no BS talk will change my opinion...


FTS!

 

This still does not answer my question as to why you are trying to avoid Fero when he is so far back, for example here is my pup. He is from a very well respected breeder, who's lines are proven and the Sire and Dam side have
produced many Top performing dogs. This is a 5,4-5 of Fero and if he turns out right, I would this he would be a great dog to breed with. Great health on both sides, good drives all around and very good aggression. I think is this was
a 1-2 or even 2-2 then it would be pause for a cause but so far back. I think it's much to due about nothing.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1948650


 

Same point I tried to make.... but some people lack focus, ya know.

A 5,4-5 on Fero is no more than 12.5% of Fero's ACTUAL genetics.  His own sons and daughters have FOUR times that!

Daryl, 

I know you always misunderstand me; I know what purge means. I asked what forms you would take, when you culled. There are options, are there not? It depends on how severe the detrimental exaggeration showed, now wouldn't it? Certainly some culling means a pup does not survive. Sometimes it means it lives with a lifelong deformity in the home of a good hearted soul? Those are real expectations, aren't they?

 

I only meant it in the sense of OMITTING a specimen from your breeding plans.

Because Fero is incredibly prepotent. Because he has literally changed the working lines. Because if you already have a dog who has Fero showing up 16 times in 8 generations, it might be a good decision to not breed to another dog who has Fero 16 times behind him. Because there is such a thing as auto-immune disorders that arise from line breeding. Because there are plenty of genetic problems that don't show up at birth and are sneaky and hard to screen out--such as hemangiosarcoma and bone cancer and bloat or allergies--which are at least somewhat genetic in origin. Because I don't like everything that comes from Fero as far as temperament, drives, working style, or even conformation.

If you don't believe in the strength of a broad and open gene pool, good for you--make the breeding choices you wish. But personally, I like to have more options.

Christine

Thank you for allowing me my choices, while I'll permit you to circumvent the possible issues.  For my personal breeding purposes, I would probably NEVER utilize a dog without a significant degree of linebreeding present in it's pedigree.  There are prefectly good reasons for that choice.

Christine, 

Seriously you like nothing from the Fero line?? Working ability, conformation, drives. Look no further than the famous J-Litter, this is Fero. Troll, Yoschy, Rocky von der Zingelgarten, Aly vom Vondersteinwald, Quaste von Ankenrutt and you can go on and on.
Of course you don't want to see Fero all over the place but in the 4th/5th generation it is more about what is in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd in my opinion. Also, If i was looking for a female to breed with, I would look for some that are non-Fero or Fero further back
than 5th but this is more for strong genes. I would see what my dig brings and if I see a female with Fero, 4th or 5th but she compliments my dog. I'd breed it. It's no knock on anyone as many people like certain things but it''s undeniable what Fero has brought
a lot of good to the lines. Not sure any dog is perfect.

-Anthony