Breeders using Fero free dogs - Page 8

I must apoligize to the OP for having a hand in jacking yet another thread. Aly Vordersteinwald is an example of a dog from Fero lines thru Troll.  It was discussed back in 2011  on this thread http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/forum.read?mnr=91290-linebreeding-on--aly-vom-vordersteinwald

Kyle

Kyle,
Don't worry about it. It wasn't done with a malicious intent, unlike certain posters whom can't stand that someone may not agree with them & their concepts.
Besides, I have found what I was looking for :)

Perhaps I can persuade you to send me a PM and share your findings? :)

Christine

Ha ha, if I cared that everyone agreed with me, I wouldn't feel so special knowing the truth of things.  Just trying to show you the error of your thinking.  Like Gustav, I don't even think of Fero, much more than I do Horand.  It's Fero's DESCENDANTS that are going to have particular nuances of their own, such as too much Yoschy without counterbalancing the drive he offers with the hardness of another line (i.e., Nick).  These are the close up and personal concerns that breeders need to bother themselves with.  Back in the day when Fero was of more immediate concern and utilized for HIS prepotence for producing drive, Greif (for example) was used to balance hardness and aggression into *some* breeder's programs.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of the linebreeding on Fero in these lines? This ped shows some pairings/crosses I haven't seen much of. 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=586659


 

Actually, there's not much Fero there--just 4-5, even if you look back 5 generations.

The motherline is unusual, being a mixture of German conformation lines, DDR lines, and old German (working lines). Most interesting to me is how the mother's mother, Fanny, is linebred on a dog from 1959, Ulbert--a name I haven't seen much of in the past few years, although he used to be seen within 5-6 generations of some good working dogs.

4,5,4,5 - 4,5,4,5................................. in V Ulbert vom Elfenbeinernen Turm

Ulbert was himself linebred/inbred closely on a son of the 1949 DDR Sieger:
2 - 3............................................. in V Panter von den Weinbergsecken

Very unusual pedigree. Don't know enough about the dogs on the mother's side to make a guess as to what the dog would produce.

Christine

I know 4-5 isn't considered "much" Fero but I was curious because I've never seen pairings like this, as opposed to the typical, often-done ones that experienced people can pretty accurately guess what they might bring. Crossing Fero on DDR stock is something I haven't encountered and I was curious about what the pedigree might suggest temperament-wise. I know someone who knows the dog personally and raves about him. Apparently he's cool, calm and collected unless asked to work- intense while working and very manageable when not. I'm curious as to whether he's a fluke or whether the breeder was onto something. It's not exactly a newbie breeder...

I found the pedigree intriguing for the same reasons- old lines, unusual stuff. I don't know nearly enough about them to guess intelligently though. 
 

Fero is far back nowdays and comes thru different dogs, so I guess it´s all depends on the rest of the pedigree if that matter or not. If the goal is breeding and someone already has a dog with lot´s of fero I can understand the idea to looking for fero free dogs, also agree that is wise to not letting a few studs over and over again get very many breedings that has happened thru history. This line of fero is probably most common in my country but not in other places where other fero sons have dominated more,



http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=119847




 

every male who's been used as many times as ferro has pro's and contra's , blaming nerves,hips and all the sins of the world on those dogs is just stupid and often started out of jealousy by other trainners/breeders who were jealous of the number of maitings (read money) these dogs got
unless you have known ferro yourself and his ancestors and what they produced other than ferro you can't know it for sure
if a dog has 500 ofspring they can't be all good dogs and if one of those lesser dogs is used in a breeding program people still blame the "mass producer stud" while the breeder who used his lesser offspring is to blame
in my opinion.
blaming ferro for all screamers??? howmany of his direct offspring are screamers??? was he or one of his ancestors a screamer??? maybe mother of his screaming offspring was a screamer thats wy i don't believe things that have been passed on by several people during several generations that stuff always gets bigger and bigger
to me he was a great stud who produced superb offspring and passed obvious trademarks of him even in 3th/4th generation without linebreeding to him, the breed could use another stud like him these day's 
 

Kyto
Thank you that is exactly what I was questioning