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@BZCZ I guess you missed it the dog had bitten on top of the sleeve,... I have mentioned it not as a excuse of him coming off but as another thing which was wrong there. I said that since you said I am bias.  Dog commin goff came later. 

 LOL> Next  " sales" video" ,...this  most definitely is  not sales video .  "Facts?"  You must be kidding.   This is a video posted on internet by adverse competition from Rumania or Bulgaria.  They made there videos for hours  and  then  spliced all the mistakes they could put together and put them into this video.  Jiri is a nice guy and want to humor people and  let people run him rugged and  he in good will let people do this to him and then they use it against him. They worked Carly for long,... very long time. That is why he came of sleeve and as Kim said hit the wall.  I told Jiri that he is an idiot to let people do this to him  and I told him that there is nothing good coming form  competition making videos at his kennel since  they can edit the best dog and make him look not so good or even really bad.  

 And I did not say  that you said that they mistreated him I said that you "insinuated" it without knowing what you are talking about.  You have said:I feel sorry for the dog, he lives in a kennel with no contact other than what we saw.  Notice when he is let out of the kennel he goes up to no one.  He runs to the gate where whoever puts a leash on him so he can run and bite.   What a miserable life.

How the f you know this?  And I am here again to tell you that this is bunch of made up crap from your key board  ANONYMOUSLY and I would not even posted on Kim's  post until you came up with this sick  BS. .  Carly when he was at jinopo same as other dogs get taken out every day and walked exercised and trained walked on the foot or next to a bicycle. I was there many times and when I arrived I  asked where is Jiri and they said he is walking dogs today.   They have 8 people working there to do all these duties every day when their kennels are being cleaned. Studs are not competed with any more they are too valuable to get hurt in competition.  They have good life of fun and games. So if Ii would be you I would  be quiet and if you have honor you should apologize.

 About drinking beer.You said:This sums up my problem with most of the PP training that I see.  Working in a parking lot with a dog who only knows how to bite. lots of screaming and yelling so afterwards we can all sit and drink beer and talk about how tough are dogs are.

 Yeah they drink beer. That is not the point.  Just everybody in Czech does. But that does not mean that they do not take care of physical or mental welfare of their dogs as you insinuate.  And FYI  ZVV 1 dogs more then to bite.   

 Prager Hans

Guys can we discuss and review videos...politely...otherwise the discussion and learning gets lost in acrimony. 

Oh one more thing FYI he runs to the gate becuase that is the gate through which he goes when they take him for walks every day.  

Prayer you can believe what you want.it's a free world. 

The dog wasn't on top of the sleeve he's was on it and slid off.  Adverse competition splicing bad training today from hours of training.you seriously expect me to believe that they worked that dog continuously for hours?  Do you hear yourself?

The six minute video is continuous and uninterrupted.  The handler whoever he is, is in conflict with his dog.The dog comes of the sleeve to avoid getting caught by his handler and grabs the sleeve down by the hand which you state is a nervy reaction. When the handler does get should of the dog he lifts him up for an out where we all can see the grip is half full. Then the handler drops his left arm under the leash so he can put more power into the dogs collar to force the out.

You disagree with my comment that all they do is show a dog that only knows how to bite.what else did the video show us. Sure not an out.Sure not guarding.s so what else then?

You can paint a pig any color you want, spray all the feathers on it that you can and its still not going to fly. 

It was bad training. The dog got jammed and they never cleaned up our made clear the out, they just created more conflict between the dog and the handler.

BZCZ  What ever. There were several videos made there wasmade  Mov 1 and mov 2 and others. And Yes they are adverse competition. You say that I said that the dog is nervy?  Where . I do not use such idiotic word. By the way the dog came off ( indoors )  because decoy hit him on a chair and not because he is thin nerved  or ruined or not taken care of or not loved or not trained properly or not having foundation  as you incorrectly state. The other  time dog came off outside was not to avoid the handler as you yet again incorectly stae, but  because he was commanded to do so. No he did not came off properly and became choppy that is why the handler Jiri lift him up to focus his bite.  So WHAT!!? But you would not understand that.  After all from your writing here it is obvious that all your dogs are perfect and your handling is impeccable and error free.   People of your ilk are the reason why people are reluctant to post video of their training. Hek you are reluctant to post video of your training. LOL!!!!

 Yes the video shows to the people who came visit  to see what they asked to see. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT IS ALL THE DOG KNOWS.  I will be nice and will not use strong words, but I will politely  say that such assumption is incorrect,  especially in the light that the dog is titled. Most visitors do not care seeing tracking or obedience,... you know. Did you see the guy in black on the beginning of the video ? He was speaking in different tongue then Czech he communicated with Jiri in Russian. Thew language they communicate with each other is Rumanian I believe .   He was the visitor and he asked to show bite work. So they showed him bite work.  

Oh and thanks calling me Prayer. I like that. :) 

I will say one more time dog is what he is or was and I was not going to post here since Kim's  description was basically fine. I was quiet until  you came here with your rude insulting, derogatory and demeaning,  accusations against JINOPO  and its owners and personnel in general and their  way they treat the dogs.   They are  decent people who work hard for decades  and love their dogs and are experts in their field respected world wide and their dogs and their breeding efforts  are legendary.   Who are you? Nobody knows. Anonymous. 

Hans 

Funny, I agreed with Kim, just with more detail on why.

You keep defending them, I don't know or care who they are.  Discuss the video.  Dog did not hit a chair.  Dog did not come off because he was commanded to.  He was ignoring that command.  He came off to avoid being grabbed. 

You keep taking offense because of who the owners are.  It would be a different story if it was someone else. 

It shouldn't matter who it is on the end of the leash.  The training stands for itself.

And no, My traiining(and my typing) isn't perfect, but it makes logical progression in each session.  I have a plan and I approach it with the intent to execute that plan.  If my dog changes my plan because he, oh I don't know, how about decides to ignore the out command, I then change my training and address this issue.

I will NEVER issue a second command that I am not prepared to reinforce with some type of training technique. I.E. repeated out commands.  If he ignores me once I make sure to address this new issue so that he understands that he must comply.  And in complying, he will get what he wants.  The goal is to teach the dog to want what I want so we are on the same page.

Show me again where that happened on the Video?

"This sums up my problem with most of the PP training that I see.  Working in a parking lot with a dog who only knows how to bite. lots of screaming and yelling so afterwards we can all sit and drink beer and talk about how tough are dogs are."

^ there is another way to train a dog?????

 car park, beer much.