Who Owns or Has owned a WL X SL Cross .. facts not opinions - Page 26

Can I ask a serious question-- WHAT THE F*** DOES IT MATTER?!?

bubba, Blitzen, Kitkat, and the rest of the folks who are proponents of the practice, why are you wasting your breath? You cannot change a closed mind.

Hired dog, yogidog, hntrjmpr434, vk4gsd [though I know you're just being your usual spoony self] -- NOBODY is forcing a SL/WL cross dog on you, are they? So what the hell do you care if folks are blending the genetics in an effort to have a positive outcome? For people who claim to value a dog's ability to do the job it's meant to do above looks, lines or registration status, y'all seem to be really getting yer panties in a twist over this subject.

In a perfect world, IMO, EVERY litter of GSDs would contain a RANGE of character within it, because not every situation calls for the same type of dog...but if you eliminate everything but what YOU think is the ONLY acceptable character for the breed, you'll be throwing out a lot of other valuable traits as well, much to your later regret.

This is a STUPID argument, and the fact that it's gone on for 31 pages already is mind-boggling.

Guess they are just GSDs riding around in a patrol car...

Carry on.

Mind boggling perhaps but the litter that produced Axel was a SL X WL litter and a lot of pseudo experts, Sch and other assorted GSD gurus told me that it positively could not work.  But it did and it worked extremely well.  Then a second litter worked extremely well and then a third.   So gurus that know everything but have never done it are suspect in my book.  Breeding GSD has nothing to do with labels ( SL X WL ), titles ( IPO, KNPV, or Ring ) or politics .. it has to do with breeders who know their dogs and know how to combine them for best results.  Folks who spend all their time on an IPO field and import their dogs from Europe are not the saviors of the GSD as a breed.  Axel never had an IPO title and he had a long and fruitful career .. he was 9 years old when he retired and there aren't many dogs of any breed doing K9 work at nearly 10 years.  As far as my dogs are concerned Axel was just an ordinary dog .. not the best nor the worst.

The only mind boggling thing I see is that pretenders and self worshipping organizations can steer the GSD as a breed when neither SL nor WL are anything special.

i care because u have threads like this decline of gsd, SL v wl where op come out and state what they want in a gsd with is strong nerve strong drive good hips and then you have this it just contradicts what the same posters said in other threads .make up your mind you will rarely get that mixing both

Got a dog as an example or just pretending

you want me to prove i have a bad dog .the norm is prove you have a good dog as i said why would someone  post bad pedigrees or bad video.i breed one litter not proud of it seen many in the trainig grounds that couldn't get a sent off their own behind and certainly would not stand their ground  

Enough is enough, the bitching back and forths has gone on long enough. You have all had your say, repeated many times, move along or I will start deleting the repeated comments. Get back on topic or go play somewhere else.

Whats the point of this thread?  To prove they are just as good as a decent WL?  A few are most arent.  You breed enough you are bound to end up with something decent at some point.

The goal of any breeding program should be consistency and continuity not 1 out of 1000 that can do something.  No one on here has done that or proven that it should be done with such a cross.

We have a few dogs of questionable quality doing single purpose work.  No vid of adult dogs doing anything, no people actually WORKING their dogs think its a good idea and nothing more substantial then pedigree links... Call it a day and move on.

Fyi:  I saw a very nice WL/SL cross a few years ago working on a suit.  Active dual purpose dog, very civil nice grips.  I doubt I will see one as good again.

Guess what it means...?  NOTHING

What means nothing is people with nothing but opinions .. the people with WL X SL dogs have shown their dogs and pedigrees and most ( all but one who had two dogs not up to expectation ) were happy and reported good results with SL X WL crosses so long as good dogs from both the WL X SL lines were chosen for breeding.  Those who want to dismiss the idea of SL X WL crosses seem to be long on opinions and short on facts.  A broad range of GSD breedings and performance from service dogs to working police K9's were reported and demonstrated.  For those considering a WL X SL breeding this thread should serve as a good guide to what works.  Many pedigree and other facts and information was posted by breeders with experience.  Those who have nothing but opinions will freely offer to tell you why a WL X SL breeding won't work because they need nothing but opinion to formulate their reasons .. no experience, examples or pedigrees needed apparently.

^ home school science conclusion right there.