Drive in Showline GSDs - Page 4

I agree with much of vk’s post. As we know the majority of S/l dogs that are bred will end up in a pet home where softer characters are preferred for obvious reasons. When dogs are returned because they are bred for sport or similar use it highlights to me that breeders are more interested in the sale rather than match the dogs to the owners experience and requirements. It is pretty obvious that breeders can detect the levels of experience of the purchaser and depending on this make a decision to sell or not sell to the client. It may take longer to sell puppies but at least they will end up with the right type of owner.

The drives in the dogs can be developed through good training and achieve higher drive levels that the dog’s will benefit from rather than just mooching around the house and left to it’s own devices. Novices must be encouraged to learn how to train their dog’s so that it understands the rules that they are going to live by. The experienced people who know how to train properly know the regime and time needed to bring out the best in their dogs and still keep them as sociable animals. The human input is vital in the dog’s development.

Mackenzie

I will say that the few odd people that want to train for training sake are going to be very disappointed with their dog if it is not on the more obsessive/high end of the drive scale.

 

my obed local crowd are all old and train for submission in the dog, the dogs are flat unfocussed, broken animals. I take my bouncing zooming nut job on the field and they are either disgusted with what they see or they come to the realisation they have wasted their dog training life.

 

either way the split is growing, those that want to do shit cant get enough drive. The rest treat drivey animals as a disorder they have to cure.

vk - Clearly you are frustrated with what you are expriencing at your club and, if the way you describe the other members for preference or ability in training then you are not going to change anything.  The bottom line is perhaps you should find another club that meets your expectations, or, start another club who will be for like minded people to your way of thinking.  Ranting on here is not going to help because many of the people that you are critisising most probably are not readers of this database.

Mackenzie 

I was illustrating a point, the fact it is personal to my situation is irrelevant. Anyhoo I use my club to provide distractions for my dog, convenient to get a bunch of other dogs and people in one spot to train around.

 

I do my own thing so I get a training gain from attending occasionally.

 

 

 

Mod edit... cursing and unnecessary comments, no more thanks.

vk - Your response is exactly what I expect from you and the comments are uncalled for.  I seem to remember Admin giving you a final warning on another thread for the same sort of attitude.

Mackenzie

I think it is not correct to debate about certain 'lines" in Showline GSD's, because there aren't much different lines.

Everything there is is from VA males who are all from Canto/Quanto and a little bit Mutz (brought the best dogs in character).

 

If i would search a stronger Showline male, i would look to the breeder and not for offsping of a certain male.

Von Arlett has always had above average dogs, just as Farbenspiel (still exist ?).

Today kennel "Altenberger land " and "Hartis Bohemia" have produced some nice dogs that also can work.Off course there are others also.

 

Work is also more than just an IPO tittle.

Ipo today is more a play for the dog based on prey drive.

Other qualities such as guarding, natural defence are not tested but are also important.

So does anyone own any of the dogs the OP asked about and what do you think of their working abilities?

Blitzen - look at my posts at the beginning of this thread.  You can read about my own experience, hope that you find this helpful.

Mackenzie

I know YOU did as did a few others before this all morphed into what it is now, another discussion on why SL's are what they are. I wish the mods would just break this off into 2 threads so the OP can continue to hear  and discuss the dogs he asked about in the first place. Personally I'd much rather read about that myself.

I believe a great deal depends on what the owner/trainer "brings out and developes" in a dog, regardless of the line.
Of course there are different degrees of drive in any given line, but there are also different degrees of training also.