Drive in Showline GSDs - Page 9

I wasn't talking about a single animal, I was meaning supplying batches of such animals at least as candidates perhaps 20 at a time to hopefully get 10 - 15 graduates.

why did you pick Germany?

please describe what you mean as "anatomically correct" pics of any dog to exemplify this would be great.

lin

you say lines wouldn't matter, wouldn't they narrow down your search, you cant look at every dog on the planet.

vk4gsd

great question! 

Mackenzie 

It would be very nice to hear from you about the Landesgruppen show

Vk - I would use the same process regardless of how many dogs a customer needed. Remember, you said “lives depended on it”. I picked Germany because it is an area that I am used to and, to satisfy SV rules more dogs are trained to some degree. Even s/l people can have a dog or two that will suit your requirements but you have to be there to look for and see the animals.

I think of two that come to mind quickly is Jango v Furstenberg, Metin v Stadtfeld. There are others and I will give you some more names later.

The lines for the first category that you quoted do not matter much to fulfil an immediate need, although they can be of importance when considering breeding for that market. The work comes first. You may feel differently, I don’t know.

For s/l there are so many considerations to make regarding HD, Health, character, anatomy etc. Sometimes it comes down to a trade off to particular aspects to achieve what is required for progress. It is time consuming to do the research and not always rewarding but it is considerably better that taking a female to a VA dog just for the status and money made from the sales. The way that the dogs have been inbred in recent times you know mostly of what you are going to get which is the basic idea behind pedigree breeding, however, these results are not always ideal for breeding future generations of good quality German Shepherd Dogs. Too many desirable traits are being lost together with stamping in too many health problems to be dealt with.

It is not a question of looking at all the dogs on the planet.  When people are active in the breed the animals come to mind without having to look at pictures or video's.  It is about knowledge gained over a long period of time.

Mackenzie

Mac, one of the first really good SL's I met was a Jango son  whelped in 97. He was dual titled in the US and Germany and imported here when he was a few years old  (SCHH3, IPO3, PAM, AX, AXJ, UDT, HT, HX, PT, VCD2). He was also HGH trained. He was bred to a female who lived with me in her retirement, a highly titled imported Cary daughter  (PAM,SCH3, IPO3, VPG3, PT, UD at 9 1/2 years, OAP, OJPC, AXP, AXJP, CGC, TC ,V 89 at the German Sieger). As a result we have now have 4 generations of HOT and BHOT IPO and advanced OB titled dogs, several others with PAM's and 2 service dogs, 2 certified SAR's. And the first and only Am bred AKC CH to earn a KKL1 and a Sch3.

The Jango son was also bred back to his g-granddaughter, my ASL x GSL AKC CH  (CD, RN. BH, AD, DA, DAE, CHIC, TC, CGC) and from 2 surviving progeny, one has been shown. I believe him to be one of the most OB titled males right now, he is still being shown and is only 4 years old (PAM, UDX,TD,NJP,NAP, VCD1, CHIC, TC, OM1, OJP, OSP, VCD2, UDX1, UDX2, OM2, AXP). He also has points toward his AKC CH.

When I want another GSD I know where I would look and the lines I would require for my goals in the breed, a dog that can do well in dual venues. I also know where I wouldn't look. I didn't need to see hundreds of GSD's either, I just needed to learn which dogs were prepotent for the GSD I wanted to own and which breeders shared the same goals. Like begets like.

Blitzen - Congratulations with your successes.  Jango is one of my all time favorite dogs with no close inbreed until 5th generation.  Pity he is not around now.

Mackenzie

All I did was give homes to a few of the dogs and show them to a few titles. The breeder did all the hard work .

Mackenzie, yes, I would really like to hear your observations!

I am currently getting an education in what it's like to go from a showline dog to a working line. But since this thread is about show lines with good drives, I'll leave it at that.

Most SL have decent drives chase a ball work for food but the problem iv seen is week nerve.Drives are only a small part yes they will follow direction for obideance while in drive .But where the problem lies is the bite now that takes commitment especially when decoy and handler changes .SL are known for soft bites and lacken commitment. for me the drive is fine but for the most the nerve is not their and thats what is needed for fast strong full cam bites .And for me thats where the problem lies .You can have drive comming out of your dogs ears if your goal is to have yor dog do everthing for food or a ball .But if you want to be takeing serious in showes ipo or what ever you do you need to build on the nerve .I prefer to see a dog with balanced drives ans super nerve that dog will preform alot more solid in every task

never mind...same old.

Blit i dont want to go back and foward about any one dog to many people will be waiting to jump onboard with shit talk thats why i have not said to much here i dont want to be the one to bate them .But to answer your question i love to see a handler and and the dog get that respect so yes that definitely would count from what you said . Idid not say all dogs where lacken nerve but it is a bit problem