Size Development Of The GSD - Page 5

If oversize dogs were DQ'd en mass it would create problems because even an oversized doc can have a positive benefit to the breed.  Even correct sized dogs carry the gene for oversized progeny.  Breeders who want to tackle the size problem must research the breeding families behind the male and the female to seek out the dogs that consistently have progeny of the correct size that is passed on by their parents and other relatives.  Progeny classes are worth looking at especially when a large number are present.

Mackenzie

 

No, not DQ the ones that have already been surveyed and show rated, not let new ones in the mix. It has to stop/start somewhere. I'd love to see the height and weight stats of the Va dogs from the last, let's say 15 years. Dogs with one testicle can produce dogs with both, doesn't mean they are breeding quality.

I come from a working breed that has been bastardized by breeders who wanted a big dog with an incorrect gait so it would be more competitive in the group ring. Now there are few dogs left that are athletic enough to do their intended jobs, they are beautiful couch potatoes with no real purpose other than to win groups and BIS'. 

It seems that reducing the size of the dogs is not going to be achieved easily.  Even if it is there remains other problems that may be more difficult to solve.  We know that size has been well and truly stamped in but in doing so what other anatomical and, probably more importantly, what about the health problems that are also firmly stamped in on the back of size.  I think that the price that has to be paid for the close inbreeding that has taken place is something that should have been forseen by the SV and dealt with together with the Breeders before now.

Mackenzie

if one org starts dq'ing oversize dogs $100 says a new org will start up that places them.

 

size / oversize evidently is not a problem for many folks buying so it is even less of a problem for folks selling.

maybe I may be mistaken, but didn't the SV recently remove size restrictions for breed survry? or maybe it was just discussed.

 I come from a working breed that has been bastardized by breeders who wanted a big dog with an incorrect gait ...

Like this?  (There seems to be something wrong with the embed code, and I get a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff when I try to embed it. If a mod or admin can fix it for me, I'd appreciate it...thanks!) 

https://www.facebook.com/gordon.garrett1/videos/10203158014630674/?pnref=story

 

This is a clip from the German Sieger show, BTW.

Mackenzie, you mean the kind of 'close line breeding' which was used to develop this breed and is nessesary to maintain desirable traits. Matter of fact, 'close linebreeding,' in any species will cause reduction in size, not increase. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1081-hettel-uckermark
I have done 3-2 line breeding four times with different dogs but line breeding on the same female...total of 33 puppies from those breedings. Of those 33 , only ONE dog turned out to be oversized by only ONE inch. In fact, the rest of his litter mates turned out on the small size of the standard but still within the standard.

How can the SV 'deal with' the breeders, when the judges put oversize dogs up over the within standard size.
Vk, talking about breeders not having a 'problem with' selling oversize dogs...I can't count how many times people call me and the very first question out of their mouth is, 'how big are your dogs?' Most people are looking for BIG gsd, they want 'Bid Bone', ( as though that's a breed) .
My answer is I don't breed for oversized dogs, so better luck elsewhere. The public ALWAYS controls the direction every breed takes. And there are always breeders who breed for the demands of the public. I try to educate people who call.

joanro - I am very much aware of the results of close inbreeding in the GSD and other breeds.   As far other breeds is concerned one only has to look at some of the results they have suffered and then it is a no brainer that we in the GSD world do not want to follow that example

If your results are as good as you say they are then you have indeed been very lucky.  Perhaps you could provide links to the stud dogs that you have used because I am sure that other breeders in you country would like to consider them.

Mackenzie

Mac, it is no longer 'luck' when the results are predictable. I corrected my post, there were in fact 4 breedings, not only 3 with the same line breeding. Mac, without inbreeding, there would be no distinct breeds. As for the studs I used, the relevant part was the female on which I linebred. If a person was to line breed tightly on an oversized dog, the resulting offspring would likely not be within standard would be my guess.

Ok joanro then why not provide the information on your females breeding together with the different males bloodlines.  If you are that skilled in your breeding then why not share it with others so the the breed as a whole can benefit.  Now that would be a contribution to the hall of fame.

I once knew a woman vet who had five generations of HD free litters (all of the progeny were free).  When the sixth generation came along the whole litter of seven animals were riddled with HD.  Skill did not help her very much on that occasion.

Mackenzie