German Shepherd Bloodlines - Page 14

I must of missed that in the cap'en's book.

Was that back in the days when the canine sperm could become a zygote without the contribution of the egg? And the bitch , then, is merely an oven to cook the li'l sperm zygotes till they pop out and the male pups can be trained? So it's inconsequential which bitch is used to carry the baby sperm-zygotes. Makes perfect sence, then.

" @vk..not to mention, females' lines are not studied because they are of no significance except for their sires lines." Thats a Lie Joan, never stated.

Its not about Va JJ's. If it makes people feel better about themselves use the name of the female from the line originator. It was clearly stated the female significance goes to the line originator as well for tracking purpose. Trait tracking is the discussion. You want to petition to change the name concept go ahead. If we can put the JJ's back in the pants for moment its the way the concept was created, your arguing for a fair naming system.... really?


If the broom fits...

Yeah no evaluation of the progeny ever required, all dogs in X line have same traits like "hand in glove".

I get people like simple answers but promoting the original sire thing 150 years later is exploiting the gullible.

You're right gigante...this thread is a clinic about human nature and the lack of objectivity that exists when one's knowledge is being logically disproven. It also shows how people are unable to stay objective when either people they look up to, or people that have similar beliefs to themselves are being logically disproven. Shows exactly how human nature is very difficult to overcome when it comes to breeding and how it's the friendships that we form and our own inability to look past those friendships when making decisions for the betterment of the breed. People have such a need to be right that they'll support others even when they can see that the other side has some merit.

Keep doing what you're doing, both of you. You've clearly been successful. Not all of us have the ability to have someone else's kennel name front and center on our webpage in order to give ourselves some sort of credibility in the GSD world. Some have to work from the ground up.

To add while I was posting...it's also a clinic on selective reading. Gigante..."no one studies females because they're of no siginificance" was clearly stated by your buddy.

We see, read, believe whatever sounds best to us...different ideas, however logical, aren't of any significance.

Gigante, before you went off calling me aliar, maybe you should read the posts..'Hans: What are you talking about?? There are basically 5 male blood lines. Nobody studies females lines since they are of no significance. Instead females too are valued by what male line they come from..'

I called your comment a lie not you a liar, and it was. Posted above is the comment and it reads, if I may... There is no female line catalogue the significance or traits goes to the line originator for tracking purpose. 

You changed to : " @vk..not to mention, females' lines are not studied because they are of no significance except for their sires lines."  Clear as day.

VK comprehension I stated earlier for me the proof is all in the progeny.

Gigante, now you are making up shit. Have at, bub, if it makes you feel good.

And* it was not my comment * it was a quote from your bud.

Can anybody state the criterion to claim a new branch/line on the GSD tree, let's see how objective or arbitrary this is once and for all.

Look up Dr Rummel SV and also the German Shepherd dog, Haak?

VK your not going to like it...... Speaking on the east line DDR dogs, mainly, it was a dog who clearly changed from the current line attributes and then passed the new traits (prepotent) to their offspring dramatically. Simple. :)~ It was the general consensus and then became official when published by the DDR Korbuch. We can sit and second guess these people the breeders of the dogs the breed wardens even Werner himself as to objective or arbitrary. In instance like this I go with the boots on the ground unless evidenced to the contrary.

The onus is now on me to find the break relevent through practise or dismiss it. 45 years later for me to say these folks were wrong Ali v Gränert's deviation from Rolf v Osnabrucker Lands line is arbitrary is not right, even with serious study and application is not fair in my mind. I was not there, I trust the boots or I dont, period. Again its now on me to find it or dismiss it. Thats where the art comes in for me, breeding is not as much science as it is study, intuition and luck.

In my mind if it was easy and science we would have great dogs everywhere, instead forums are full of complaints as to the fact that very good dogs are harder to find.
 

Yep, some guy liked and promoted a dog with a good helping of self serving politics. No different to the roach back red & tan SV show lines today or the ASL.

Same story with Rotts, Dobes, border collies....... all arbitrary self serving politics.

I just bought an Angus bull, it's all science. It would blow yr primitive mind. He was an embryo transfer from a cow on one side of the planet to a cow on the other side from a bull that is just numbers on a screen. A clone breeding clones effectively.

Dog breeders rather keep it about marketing because they fear science.